Laissez-faire and government welfare?

[Poptech]

@filc

Well I can only give you personal experience to that, but let me just say that many of my closest people of influence, friends ect.., in my life actively participate in smoking marijuana. Some more than others. All of which are fairly well off and successful, not the type of shallow people you’ve described them to be. I’ve never seen such behavior as you described above. When I was much younger the smartest kid in history class was the one who smoked pot and watch the history channel every night. He schooled our history teacher daily.

I’ve heard these stories before and don’t believe them. Every single person I have met that smokes pot, has reduced cognitive function; they are slow to respond, can’t keep up with conversations, poor memory ect… It also shows up in their writing which becomes more and more incoherent. The extent of the damage is directly related to how much and how long they used. I know brilliant people and none of them ever touched marijuana.

[Poptech]

I know, I know I’ve heard all the propaganda stories of brilliance and pot, yet have never met this in the real world.

@Bert

You’re finding links to back your case without taking a step back from the situation to realize the entire case is bullshit.

Actually no it is not, it is extensively sourced to medical research. I like my brain you are free to destroy yours.

@Bert

You can’t change people’s habits by force, nor by the State making a law against it. You can’t legislate morallity.

This is so typical of pot head mentality - you cannot even follow the conversation. Nice strawman arguments, too bad I never made a case for the abuse of other drugs nor the legality of it. I don’t care about the legality, I care about the propaganda that it is as safe as candy.

[filc]

@Bert

These and the other 88 links you have to support your case doesn’t make marijuana anymore dangerous than something such as alcohol (which is perfectly legal, and used more than marijuana).

Most of the links he posted have been refuted or other conflicting studies have been released. Just google search “benefits of marijuana” and you will see all kinds of stuff pro and con, both providing statistical, empirical, lab testing evidence which allegedly debunks the others.

Feel free to Google it up. I don’t need to refute Poptech on this matter. His zeal undermines his sincerity in that respect. Most of the pro/anti marijuana arguments are entirely fruitless and argued from folk who haven’t the first idea what they are talking about.

[filc]

@Poptech

I’ve heard these stories before and don’t believe them.

Well I’m sorry it’s such an inconvenience for you.

[Poptech]

@filc

Most of the links he posted have been refuted or other conflicting studies have been released.

Total lie.

[Poptech]

@filc

Well I’m sorry it’s such an inconvenience for you.

Addict behavior is to make excuses and lie to further their habit. The stories are par for the course.

[DanielMuffinburg]

@Poptech

@filc

Well I can only give you personal experience to that, but let me just say that many of my closest people of influence, friends ect.., in my life actively participate in smoking marijuana. Some more than others. All of which are fairly well off and successful, not the type of shallow people you’ve described them to be. I’ve never seen such behavior as you described above. When I was much younger the smartest kid in history class was the one who smoked pot and watch the history channel every night. He schooled our history teacher daily.

I’ve heard these stories before and don’t believe them. Every single person I have met that smokes pot, has reduced cognitive function; they are slow to respond, can’t keep up with conversations, poor memory ect… It also shows up in their writing which becomes more and more incoherent. The extent of the damage is directly related to how much and how long they used. I know brilliant people and none of them ever touched marijuana.

So wish to coercively impose your subjective valuations upon others, and you ask LS called you a statist?

[Bert_B]

@Poptech

I know, I know I’ve heard all the propaganda stories of brilliance and pot, yet have never met this in the real world.

@Bert

You’re finding links to back your case without taking a step back from the situation to realize the entire case is bullshit.

Actually no it is not, it is extensively sourced to medical research. I like my brain you are free to destroy yours.

@Bert

You can’t change people’s habits by force, nor by the State making a law against it. You can’t legislate morallity.

This is so typical of pot head mentality - you cannot even follow the conversation. Nice strawman arguments, too bad I never made a case for the abuse of other drugs nor the legality of it. I don’t care about the legality, I care about the propaganda that it is as safe as candy.

Is this an accusation of me being a pot head? I don’t smoke or drink (no more than 2-3 times a year, and not enough to even feel the effects of it). Up to this point in my life I’ve only smoked marijuana twice and during those times I felt no negative effects.

[Poptech]

@Daniel Muffinburg

So wish to coercively impose your subjective valuations upon others, and you ask LS called you a statist?

Your statement is incoherent and doesn’t make any sense. Thanks for proving my point.

[DanielMuffinburg]

@Poptech

@Daniel Muffinburg

So wish to coercively impose your subjective valuations upon others, and you ask LS called you a statist?

Your statement is incoherent and doesn’t make any sense. Thanks for proving my point.

Now you know what it’s like reading your posts.

[Esuric]

@Daniel Muffinburg

Now you know what it’s like reading your posts.

Good job.

[filc]

@Poptech

@filc

Most of the links he posted have been refuted or other conflicting studies have been released.

Total lie.

Lol ok so all the studies that say marajuana is a benefit or the ones that debunk the ones you posted are lies because you say so. But the other way around they are fact because you say so. Ignoring the inherent flaws of biological research and emperical studies do yourself a favor.

Google

[DanielMuffinburg]

@Esuric

@Daniel Muffinburg

Now you know what it’s like reading your posts.

Good job.

Thanks. I like my strategy to combat your nonsense as well.

[filc]

@Daniel Muffinburg

@Poptech

@Daniel Muffinburg

So wish to coercively impose your subjective valuations upon others, and you ask LS called you a statist?

Your statement is incoherent and doesn’t make any sense. Thanks for proving my point.

Now you know what it’s like reading your posts.

shrug Made sense to me

[DanielMuffinburg]

@filc

@Daniel Muffinburg

@Poptech

@Daniel Muffinburg

So wish to coercively impose your subjective valuations upon others, and you ask LS called you a statist?

Your statement is incoherent and doesn’t make any sense. Thanks for proving my point.

Now you know what it’s like reading your posts.

shrug Made sense to me

Yeah, well. I don’t think you were trying to defend statism.

[luckylad33]

Esuric, are you going to defend your claims against my arguments? Here they are again in case you missed them.

What institutional elements would you put in place which could help ensure that the government does not grow beyond the point you intend it to be? It seems pretty obvious that no government would remain that small for any length of time.

Also, as other people mentioned, there are many ways to get around taxes. If people do not comply, you think that you have the right to shut their business down and possibly economically ruin them and their families?

[krazy_kaju]

@Esuric

These taxes will have the same effect as all taxes, namely it will disturb the market for drugs, alcohol and cigarettes.

Do you really want to be taxing some of the final consumer goods that bring the greatest utility to people? Do you really want to be taxing medicinal substances (marijuana, opiates, cocaine, etc.)? Do you really think it’s fair to tax a minority of the population in order to subsidize everyone’s police/law/defense and other people’s transfer payments?

If we must have a government, then the fairest tax would be some kind of flat tax on income or poll tax or a combination of the two, IMO. That way, everyone pays for the ‘services’ they receive from government.

[Poptech]

@filc

Lol ok so all the studies that say marajuana is a benefit or the ones that debunk the ones you posted are lies because you say so.

There are no studies debunking the ones I posted. You just “think” there are, this is the same tired propaganda. What is funny is your Google search comes up with the exact opposite of what you think.

Exposing the Myth of Smoked Medical Marijuana

“The major active chemical in marijuana is delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), which causes the mind-altering effects of marijuana intoxication” (Marijuana Abuse). THC enters the brain by passing through the lungs into the bloodstream, and then affects various centers in the brain, causing several health risks outlined below.

Health risks include: impaired thinking and memory; diminished balance and coordination; increased chance of heart attack; increased risk of respiratory infection; increased risk of lung cancer, mouth cancer, and cancer of the respiratory tract; and possible hallucinations (Marijuana as Medicine). There is also a link between marijuana use and fatal accidents. “Studies show that 6 to 11 percent of fatal accident victims test positive for THC” (Marijuana Abuse). Marijuana use may also hamper the ability of the immune system to fight off infections. In addition, marijuana may be addictive. Research has shown that “people trying to quit report irritability, difficulty sleeping, and anxiety. They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately 1 week after they stopped using the drug” (Marijuana Abuse).

ect… the rest are pro-pot sites not medical research.

[Poptech]

@krazy kaju

If we must have a government, then the fairest tax would be some kind of flat tax

Which is what I would support a low percentage flat tax.

[krazy_kaju]

“Studies show that 6 to 11 percent of fatal accident victims test positive for THC”

THC also stays in your body for up to 30 days. So if I toke today and crash 20 days later, I obviously wasn’t DUI but I might test positive for THC.

In addition, marijuana may be addictive. Research has shown that “people trying to quit report irritability, difficulty sleeping, and anxiety. They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately 1 week after they stopped using the drug” (Marijuana Abuse).

This is how I know you’ve never smoked pot. I don’t know a single soul who is addicted to pot, and I sure as hell know a lot of potheads (and former potheads).