3 Big Takeaways From Obamacare Decision
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Peter Schiff: The Supreme Court is wrong: ObamaCare is UNCONSTITUTIONAL
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I watched that Schiff video yesterday. He says the same thing over and over and over. Not that it isn’t a decent point, but he really likes to hear himself talk.
I don’t think he likes to hear himself at all. I think it’s a combination of catharsis (as I was saying here), and him being used to having to repeat himself a number of times before people will actually get what he’s saying (even though he has a knack for presenting things in the most understandable, layman way).
And while he did repeat a few things, that’s certainly not the reason for the length of the video. I’d say maybe 5 minutes or so was repeat.
Looks like Chief Justice Roberts used precisely my rationale for upholding the individual mandate. https://forum.freecapitalists.org/t/constitutionality-is-a-matter-of-semantics-health-care/22080
A wonderful explanation of why the ruling is wrong (why it’s a regulation of commerce and not a tax; why even if it was a tax, it would have to be considered a direct tax and not an indirect tax). Of course, since it is not truly a tax but a regulation of commerce and the court said Congress couldn’t do this as a proper, Constitutional regulation of commerce, it should have been struck down. And if it were somehow a tax, it would certainly be a direct tax, which would require it to be apportioned to the population of the states. Since it is not, it would have to be struck down. I believe this is the guy that wrote The Constitution: What It Actually Said and Meant. Anyway, very interesting podcast. It’s approximately half an hour long.
The “Commerce Clause” has been perverted just as much, if not moreso, than the “Supremacy Clause.” The Commerce Clause was intended to prevent a trade war among the states and to keep commerce regular. It does not mean Congress has the authority to regulate (CONTROL) private industries. Of course, that’s heresy to mainstream understanding of government - thanks, liberal-progressives!
This is the argument I am hearing:
Right now everybody doesn’t have health care, Uninsured Joe Blow is going to the emergency room basically being a freeloader, while the hospital absorbs all the cost and everybody indirectly pays for it through all the unpaid bills. That’ s not right!
With Obamacare, all the people now that are never insured will now be forced to be insured, so we don’t have to pay for the freeloaders.
Now everybody will be paying to the insurance companies and costs will go down!
Seriously, somebody refute this because I’d like to know more about it. Don’t just tell me ‘it’s wrong’, because I am going to remain ignorant of this until I am able to hear a better argument. And If I’m ignorant, thousands of others are too, and easily fall for slick stuff like this.
/Devil’s Advocate.
Well, what evidence do these people have that there were all sorts of unpaid medical treatment actually going on? Unless they have actual reasoning or evidence, they’re just asserting a belief.
Also, guess who required hospitals to provide ER care for free to people who couldn’t afford it? That’s right - the government.
Also, the Affordable Care Act stipulates that 1) Medicaid will be used to pay for medical treatment for people earning 133% of less of the “federal poverty level”, and 2) people earning between 133% and 400% of the “federal poverty level” will receive some kind of subsidy for purchasing health insurance through a government-sponsored “health insurance exchange”.
1.) People don’t have insurance because they can’t afford it.
2.) Forcing everyone to buy insurance wont enable them to afford it.
3.) No problem was resolved.
It’s also an insincere argument, most people that support socialized medicine obviously don’t care about “freeloaders”. At the end of the day, this is their argument:
“The cost of healthcare should be distributed over everyone in order to lower the cost.”
This has been debunked so many times and in so many ways it’s not even funny.
@ObamaCare reading list
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Obamacare would fail even if its only provision was to force all insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions. Incidentally, Romney would keep this provision. In other words; Private Health Insurance will cease to exist. Regardless of how anyone votes, this will happen. Democracy at its finest.
“Now everybody will be paying to the insurance companies and costs will go down!”
This argument ignores scarcity. Just because people are forced to pay for something does not mean more resources are available.
*[One piece of nonsense I consider especially dangerous is] the notion that what we cannot afford in terms of medical care as 300 million Americans paying directly, we can somehow afford by sending the same money through the government, and paying for a government bureaucracy on top of all the other costs of medical care*. — Thomas Sowell
Government mandates that hospitals must accept the ER patients. This is what gives rise to the “free riders.” If they really wanted to address that, they would repeal the law or adjust it to give discretionary powers to the hospital so they could turn away someone with the sniffles, non-life threatening injuries for illegal aliens, whatever they want. With a tax payer, they’re at least contributing something since they presumably pay federal taxes and will continue to do so if their life is saved. I also read an article that the “free riders” cost states and the federal government $140 billion. That’s a drop in the bucket compared to the other stupid stuff in the federal budget.
As someone said, they don’t care. They just want socialized medicine. This issue is a canard. The mandate alone just creates more malinvestment of capital in the economy.
I’m reading now that Roberts flipped his vote at some point and that he was originally going to join with Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Kennedy to strike down the law in its entirety.
Yeah, it must have been such a rush for him, knowing he will go down in all the history books. This is what these fat-ego’d clowns have wet dreams of. They get to be movie stars.
Finally, America is closer to joining the ranks of every other civilized nations healthcare system.