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219-212
In the words of the beautiful Natalie Portman…
Nullification?
“House votes 219-210 to pass ObamaCare. Will the passage launch the Era of Nullification?” - Robert Wenzel
Not over just yet, it still has to go through the Senate - maybe some of it can be scuttled.
Does this mean that some Dems actually voted against it?
I wonder what Obama really said to Dennis Kucinich on Air Force One.
No. The senate bill goes to Obama’s desk where he eagerly awaits to sign it into law.
The reconciliation bill which also just passed has to go back to the senate, but it will also get passed to, short of a miracle.
Face it, liberty was dealt a significant blow tonight.
34 dems voted against the senate health care bill. Apparently so few because of Obama’s hail marry last-minute executive order promising no abortion funding.
Did you hear the democrats cheering “yes we can” once they got the 216th vote? The level of stupidity is really shocking. I sat through about 3 hours of sob stories about how “Bill from Kansas” died because he had cancer, and “Margret from Idaho” died because of a car accident. I guess socialized health care will end cancer and car accidents. Appeals to emotion are very powerful I guess.
Well, yeah, Michael Moore’s new propaganda film was built as SOLELY on that for a reason. If anyone can do it, Obama can.
Let me get this straight:
So we have supply and demand in our world. Supply goes up, demand stays the same and prices drop. Supply remains the same, demand goes up, prices rise.
The federal government has restricted the supply in the medical field through the FDA, AMA, etc. It has now increased demand by the following: not allowing pre-existing conditions to be used to deny coverage, lifting caps off lifetime medical expenses, allowing adults up to the age of 27 to be counted as dependents, free preventative care, etc.
Yet this won’t bankrupt us? Have I missed something here?
Typical bourgeois logic.
Well put
I don’t get all the hubbub. SOMETHING was going to get passed eventually, and it was going to go in the wrong direction. We were already going in the wrong direction, and almost nobody even mentioned the way things should be moving.
Its not like this bill is taking us from a pure free market to a gov’t run system with strong partnerships with ‘private’ companies, its going from screwed over by gov’t to even more screwed over, with an aim to totally screw it over later.
Ignorance.
It is truly terrifying how many perceive the answer to state-caused problems to be an increase in the power of government.
I am disgusted quiet frankly, but I get that way every time I watch the news.
I agree that it isn’t really that big of a deal. It just sucks that you must purchase insurance or face a fine.
From MSNBC: “For the first time, most Americans would be required to purchase insurance, and face penalties if they refused. Much of the money in the bill would be devoted to subsidies to help families at incomes of up to $88,000 a year pay their premiums.”
So, they force us to buy insurance (I bet the insurance companies love that!), and, the taxpayer will subsidize those who make up to $88K a year who can’t afford it. They did nothing to increase competition (by getting out of the way), they did nothing to step out of the way of innovation. Sure, instead of paying $1.00 we will pay $0.75, but we will get $0.25 worth of service, and be forced to accept it. Does anyone here think this is the end of the intervention? Of course it will not be. It is only the beginning. Because, since government programs always fail (ie, social security is bankrupt, medicare is bankrupt) this “plan” will fail too.
This is the first day of the New Empire. W. Bush got 150,000 troops sitting on top of 2 - 4 million barrels a day of oil, Obama is implementing socialism. See how it works? See how the “R’s” and "D"s just take turns?
Nationalized healthcare is just the start. Next, Card Check (easy unionization of all businesses), Cap and Trade (tax us to subsidize wasteful industries).
They will eventually have to hire a “strong man” to enforce implementation of the rest of what they have in mind because the economy is going to fall apart: Watch this: The Road to Serfdom.
Well, this is the first step towards complete socialization of healthcare. We’re not 100% there yet, we went from 80% there to maybe 90% there.
Damned if I do, damned if I don’t.
It reminds me of Atlas Shrugged wherein the honest individuals are forced to deal in secret just to get things done.