Occupy Wall Street Update: NYC General Assembly list of Demands

So on the 29th of September 2011 the NYC General Assembly voted the following through. Ammendmends were made on the 1st of October. I realize some of you may have read the proposed list of demands covered by the LVMI daily article Occupy Wall Street: A Story without Heroes, however, these were apparently not produced by the collective but by a single user.

The ones I’am about to post are in my opinion just about as niave, economically unsound and well…I don’t think this would reflect the “common will” of your average Independent, Republican or Democrat. At least according to stats I have been checking out on reason, and my intution.

Anyway, reading through these list of demands just makes me want to cry. Seriously depressing. So much potential, they have every right to be upset, but so misdirected and uninformed.

"As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.

New York City General Assemblies are an open, participatory and horizontally organized process through which we are building the capacity to constitute ourselves in public as autonomous collective forces within and against the constant crises of our times"

Edit* There are a couple of demands that are legitimate, e.g. bailouts etc, but it is a shame that they don’t call out the government. It seems to be they are laying the blame completely on the private sector, and failing to understand how manipulated the market is, via government subsidy, regulation and patronage.

The OWS movement is statist. I read somewhere that a Ron Paul table at one of the “occupied” cities was vandalized by socialists.

Some of the people involved certainly are, but not all. Nor does that mean that we shouldn’t even try to socialize with them.

We are having an “Occupy University of Idah” tomorrow. I will go, talk to them, I find a non-aggressive, try to learn from one another approach is best.

See here and here.

Thankyou John James. This is exactly the kind of approach I’m looking for. :slight_smile:

The OWS crowd are a statist, socialist mob. It is a gathering of useful idiots, each offering a their own, incoherent ‘Port Huron Statement’. The accusations are ridiculous, and the ever changing list of demands seek more and more to reward the stupid and unemployable at the expense of the productive. The demands for and end to war and subsidies are only so that that money can be redistributed to other lowlifes. Any Ron Paul supporters or other libertarians caught up in this are laughably naive. Thankfully, they are not many.

You cannot reason with a mob-- especially a rent-a-mob, as a sizeable chunk of them are. They do not have peace on their minds, and they are not interested in anyone’s liberty. Either go full commie and wear your knit cap and Che T-shirt with the rest of them, or just get the hell out of there before you give the rest of us a bad name.

Yes, this certainly does mean you should not associate with them. There needs to be a distinct line between free markets and socialism, and right now, you are on the wrong side of it.

Government protects property rights. The republican government is forced to address the inequal distribution of property through regulations and welfare programs. The most powerful capitalist corrupt the government and the regulations and welfare programs are used to further empower the most powerful corporations.

It is quite a delimma.

These two statements contradict one another.

Thanks for trolling, see you next time.

I sense much anger in you FleetCenturion. Hands over a small slightly tattered doll. Now, I want you to point on the doll exactly where the evil commie statists touched you. ^^

All your post was is a rant. When someone comes across as pompous, arrogant, and self-righteous it is highly probable that those they are attempting to converse with will ignore them. Which is probably why you think it is a waste of time. When I was 14-20 I acted like this. I grew up however. After reading your bio I understand your late to the party, but honestly, grow up.

Who cares if they only want to end War and Subsidies so that they can be redistributed? Would we not be better of with that situation then the current one? Isn’t there a chance that overseas commitments can be ended without redistributing those funds?

You don’t need to reason with a mob. I seek out individuals. Again, I think we have opposite past experiences.

I fail to see how I am on the wrong side of it simply because I converse and socialize with the “sinners”. You don’t intimidate me >< I will continue to mix, converse and talk to these people. Where we share a common cause or end, I will stare with them.

I may have been a bit unfair in my above response to Gavin. Let me try again:

It is true that the most powerful interests use government. However, saying

The most powerful capitalist corrupt the government and the regulations and welfare programs are used to further empower the most powerful corporations.

is wrong because capitalists are people who practice capitalism. These guys practice fascism/socialism.

Government protects property rights

By taking 40% of the private property GDP under the threat of deadly force and incarceration?

Sigh … Where to begin…

Your puny webspeak has no effect on me. You should look up the definition of a “troll”, however, instead of simply assuming it means, “anyone who disagrees with my post.” My response concerned only the topic at hand, and you will find no Bank of America IP in my background.

This is so wrong, I don’t know where to begin. The problem is that the funds are taken in the first place, not where they go. In fact, I would prefer that the Government just take my tax money and use it to buy hookers and blow. The more noble a cause the Government puts our money to, the more evil the result. If war, subsidies, and overseas dealings were ended overnight, that money would not find its way back into our pockets (i.e. that we would not be taxed that sum), but “redistributed” to something even more wasteful and destructive (yes, there are things more destructive). That is the nature of a state run amok. If our wealth was just taken and burned, instead of “invested” by the State, we would at least suffer no further loss of liberty.

Most are not and do not seek to be “individuals”. If they do, they are in the wrong place. To use my favorite quote of all time: “God damnit! They’re not people, they’re hippies!” If you are able to reason with someone who isn’t hypnotized by the anti-capitalist rhetoric, take pity on him and get him the hell out of there. The aims of the OWS mob are not the change he can believe in.

Curses, foiled again.

Free markets and libertarian philosophy share absolutely nothing in common with OWS. If you don’t believe me, just do ten minutes of research into those who organize it. Just question as to who distributes those mass-emails telling everyone where to organize. In many cases, they’re the same criminals who profited from the bailouts and QE 1&2 (i.e. George Soros, etc.). Their leaders, their members, and-- as you yourself posted-- their message, are the opposite of libertarian values.

Slightly off-topic (though not really): Fascism is Socialism. Even Goebles said so. If there is a discernable difference, it is that “Fascists” are in touch with their destructive side, while “Communists” are in denial. Once the idea takes hold, the end result is always the same.

That’s why I slashed it. I’d like to start a new thread on that, because I have a question about the words.