too many immigrants would be coming in and not enough jobs to support everyone, and not to mention the crime rate will go up because of them. Look at the scandinavian countries and Australia that have strict border control and they’re the happiest places in the world.
Australia has strict border controls?? Are you kidding me? The only border control Australia has is a natural one (i.e. ocean), and even then anyone who wants to leech free stuff off the Australians only needs to set out from Indonesia towards Christmas Island and the Australian navy will come pick them up.
…Happiest places in the world?
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Maple, can you tell me why al gore invented the internet.
Educate me, if you know so much.
I want to know you more =).
Okay well besides Australia what I’m saying is true and if there were no borders it would be chaos
You have no reasoning.
Tell me why there would be chaos if national borders were ignored.
Oh yes i forgot, people born in mexico and people born in united states are 2 totally different types of humans and should not be mixed up whatsoever.
You sound like a racist liberal conservative lizard.
Immigrants are self-interested like the rest of us and go to where they believe they have better opportunities. That’s why a lot of Mexican immigrants are leaving the U.S. for their home country rather than staying.
I’m actually inclined to agree, not for the same reasons, but just because the citizens of a country under a private law scenario would have the legal authority to expel any immigrants. Under statism the infrastructure, that would be provided privately, is provided by the people and so transitively belongs to them. They should have the authority to keep immigrants out if they don’t want them. Employers often have the advantage of encouraging immigration to lower labor costs even if the residents of the country don’t want that to happen.
A family friend of ours, staunch leftist, went to Scandinavia and was dissapointed that everyone there was unhappy 
But anyway, just because there would be open borders it doesn’t mean that every person would come to the US. Furthermore, just because Scandinavia is (supposedly) better than the US and happens to have closed borders it doesn’t mean that it is better because it has closed borders. Using that logic, we should remove minorities from the US to achieve better standards of living just because Scandinavia doesn’t have many non-white people.
Jargon - even then, I’m not sure there would be chaos.
Either way, MML, what do you care? You mean we should deny the chance to poor people abroad to become wealthier?
Yeah I don’t think there would be chaos, but I do think that the citizens of a nation have the right to determine the character and quantity of their population via property rights.
So a nation’s happiness is determined by it’s hetergeneous nature?
By that logic, North Korea is that happiest nation on Earth.
Well look at blacks that wherever they go crime rates go up and same with hispanics. Someone said north korea well they’re just stupid anyway, just look at african countries too.
do you even read your own fucking posts, or jsut put whatever down just to talk?
Wow I’m not trolling, it’s true. Crime rates go up where more blacks are and look at the muslims always trying to bring their religion to places like in the UK.
Whose face are you defaming with those comments?
Even if those statistics are true, I think it would be morally wrong to punish the individual because of the supposed behavior of the collective. Immigrants who want to enter a country in order to work are a boon to society. ‘Illegal’ immigrants in the U.S., for example, take on jobs that our own citizens no longer want. We should be grateful for them.
There is some truth here, but with this said it’s mainly the cause of states to begin with. I think that there could be such a massive influx that it could cause some problems, but they could be dealt with fairly readily simply through free market employment. Most of the people coming over would be such unskilled labor that most natives of the U.S would be very well off because as unskilled labor floods into the country, even moderately skilled labor increases in value because new skilled jobs are needed to manage the increase in output. With truly mass immigration, a bigger problem might actually be the deflation that would be caused in the midst of all of this.
Anyway, any changes like this would, at most, be temporary, and if everyone did this then there would be mostly slight increases in everyone’s population. More importantly you’re committing a really grave fallacy in your first post. Also a more genuine point would have been income and crime rate (rape is… All too common in Sweden) which you do not reference much in the OP
As for crime rates, you could argue this is in large part because of the poor educational system and employment opportunities for many immigrants, which could be dealt with in a more effective manner in an anarchist society for reasons mentioned elsewhere… I should also mention that if you’re going to talk about immigrants being more likely to commit criminal acts then some would point to that whole… Racialist argument that you recently spoke out against
Also, MMMF, I think that you have a genuine desire to learn here, but I think a much better way to do this would be to be non-confrontational and simply pose a question or ask how people would respond to the argument. The way you are doing it now looks like you’re flamebaiting, because you make statements and then don’t back them up very well. If you’re trying to learn, then ask questions, if you’re trying to argue for something then provide intelligent, reasonable, and somewhat indepth arguments, not short statements which occasionally run into some fairly obvious logical holes.
We can make cheap and dirty labor automated so we don’t need immigrants.
Also someone brought up rape in Sweden, well most of thos cases are Muslim men