Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection in Search for Bank Robber
I thought this deserved its own thread. From the article:
Well at least they caught the guy.
Could be the case. We’ll know eventually. From the article, it seems the only evidence they have against the suspect is that there were loaded firearms in the car. It’s probably the guy, but we don’t know yet.
Very true.
But they wasted a hell of a lot of taxpayer time and put those cops in a lot of danger. And we’re not even sure if the guy was caught. Plus he might escape anyway. They should have just called in an air strike to napalm the whole area. Just to be sure.
I mean, sure there would be some collateral damage, but hey. At least we’d be sure they got the guy.
Oh heavens no!! TWO WHOLE HOURS WASTED NOOOOOO!!!
That’s part of their job. But ofcourse I’m glad nothing bad happened to any of them.
Always a possibility. Maybe he did escape maybe he didn’t I guess we will find out.
Seems a bit excessive imo. But you’re trolling so it’s ok.
Exactly. Who knows how many people got raped, robbed, shot, maimed, murdered, and god knows what else while these coppers were wasting all this time.
Napalm. Problem solved.
Doesn’t mean they need to be put into danger unnecessarily.
Napalm. Problem solved.
Why? It’s part of their job.
Exactly.
Napalm. No “finding out” necessary.
Spoken like a typical, lobotomized, would-be central-planner…
Tell the emergency heart-surgery patient that waiting two hours for his heart surgeon is no big deal. Tell the organ-transplant recipient that his organ sitting on ice for another two hours is no big deal. And so on. The presumption that time is of no essence to any random subset of the public is ludicrous in the extreme.
Clayton -
Who knows? Maybe none of that stuff happened during that two hour window and they did actually catch the guy.
But they will be put into danger from time to time that’s their job.
Ofcourse. It’s still unfortunate when something bad happens to a cop but that’s what they get paid for.
Nothing in the article suggests this was the case for any of these people. Where are you getting this from?
Did the cops know that? Would that have altered their behavior? After all, the bank robber himself could say “I’m a heart-surgeon in a rush to such-and-such hospital, I must get there right away!” Then he might escape.
Clayton -
No idea. There’s nothing in the article to indicate that they were given that type of information.
I have no idea and I’m not inclined to speculate.
Did that happen?
And, by the way, two hours is a big deal. I have paid $500 an hour for legal representation. If that lawyer were held up for two hours by the cops so they can catch a bank robber, that’s a $1,000 loss to him. Is Wells Fargo going to reimburse him for the costs that their publicly funded security forces have imposed on him? Of course not. Any lawsuit along these lines would be laughed out of the government courts. Because they don’t exist to protect you and me, they exist to protect the government, the government’s interests and the interests of their rich criminal friends on Wall Street (h/t George Carlin).
Clayton -
Maybe unicorns flew out of his butt too, and that’s what gave him away. But probably not.
Doesn’t mean they need to be put into danger unnecessarily.
Exactly. Which is why I don’t know why you haven’t latched on to my excellent napalm idea that solves all these problems.
Nothing in the article suggests that anyone was raped and murdered while this was going on. So I guess that means it probably didn’t happen.
bloomj, you shoot from the hip a lot but - in this case - you’re just being downright trollish. I’ve lost respect for you.
I thought the hip-shooting was the exception and the trolling was the rule, myself.
Funniest thing I’ve read all day.
What’s the difference between “necessary” and “unnecessary” danger?
There’s really no way to know. This is pure speculation.
Why because I don’t go into hysterics over something like this? I don’t jump to conclusions. I’m looking at the information that was presented, nothing more. Do you have any evidence that a heart surgery patient was held up or that a lawyer lost 1,000 dollars in billable hours? No. You have literally no evidence. You’re speculating. You say this imaginary lawyer would be laughed out of court. Really? When did that happen? Show me the case file. Yet I’m the one shooting from the hip? Please.
No. I ignored the napalm thing because it’s silly hyperbole used to make a rhetorical connection between something which would probably be seen as a complete overreaction to most people with something that was arguably overdone. You clearly think the police overused their police powers in this instance, I get it. I don’t feel the same way.
One is necessary, one isn’t.
Exactly. Why speculate? Why not use my napalm idea and be sure? I’m not sure why you’re not seeing the big picture here.
Kinda short-sighted, wouldn’t you say?
I mean, if I tell you that Tom shot a guy in the face, are you going to say, “I sure hope Tom rots in hell. Bastard.”? Looking only at information presented and then making assumptions that nothing else outside of what is presented matters (as if the event took place in a vacuum of space time) is kind of, well, asinine.
Thanks John Madden. And who gets to determine what is and is not necessary danger?
The short answer (even though I know you’re trolling) is that the cost would have been too high by my judgment. Sure they would’ve probably gotten the guy but then they would’ve probably killed a lot of people in the process. Is it worth it? Not to me. But stopping people for a couple hours? Yeah I can accept that.
I wouldn’t be able to come to any conclusion based on such limited information. It would be asinine to jump to any conclusion about “Tom” just because he “shot a guy in the face.” I would think it would be wise to reserve judgment until more facts were available about this alleged shooting.
I try not to assign principal values to anything. What really bugs libertarians about this sort of thing is that it’s heavily authoritarian and arguably an abuse of police power. Either way, it’s an imposition of liberty which is like the bestest thing ever to libertarians. I do not share your values. Liberty is just one of many things I like in life it’s not the primary one and/or the only one.
For you to make this judgement, you would have to make a moral statement, something I thought you refrained from doing.