I am so glad posters on these forums washed their hands off this petty politician long before he was even elected or was a rising political star.
And I am so glad Justin Raimondo did the same too.
Not sure what the big deal was. He was just making the point that he and other consumers shouldn’t be forced to do what they don’t want to do through taxation/penalties under the guise of “helping” them when it some instances it doesn’t help, like low-power toilets which end up using more water, etc.- I mean I’m sure you already knew his point…so…??
Errr, I don’t see wha the big deal is; his questions were great, if you ask me–he clearly made the point that the people in the administration are hypocritical and incoherent. They’re pro-choice for human life, but they’re not pro-choice for consumers right to choose what they want to put in their own homes.
Her response was incredibly telling as well; she resorted to appeal to popularity “this was a bipartisan bill…”, then out and out suggested it didn’t restrict consumer choice at all…but then more or less acknolwedged what Rand was saying when she (perhaps sarcastically) asked if he wanted help finding a toilet.
He showed her for the hypocrite she was…kinda pathetic how she couldn’t really address what he was saying.
I agree with Fox McCloud… his point was awesome. And her response did not even answer to what Rand said in the first place.
I liked his point too. I have wondered if Rand is a closet-anarcho-capitalist. If so, he has chosen his political/strategical war-opinions quite badly…
Rand Paul just earned back a little of my respect.
^ Same. I think initially a lot of people are disappointed in how not as libertarian rand paul is compared to ron paul, but he’s definitely better then the standard conservative.
Agree with Fox. It’s good to see at least the comments made and although I don’t see any progress possible on our front in DC … it’s still good to hear. As for how ‘libertarian’ ish is Rand vs Ron … it’s the same only constant squabble the entire Libertarian movement falls into every five second … The movement trips over itself left and right as they fight more with each other over where someone falls in the political spectrum of Libertarianism than they do with trying to solidify behind a move or core issue that all probably agree on in principle.
Here is the New York Times take on this:
What would be a response to this posters objection?
“So, to clarify: democrats are hypocrites because they support a woman’s right to choose abortion, but not Paul’s right to choose a toilet. Does this mean that Rand Paul is pro choice for women, as well as toilets and lightbulbs?”
I guess the answer is “yes”. Democrats are hypocrites because they support abortion, but not a woman’s right to choose a toilet. Duh.
I suppose the last sentence is some accusation of Paul being a hypocrite too. Like that somehow justifies the reverse position. That argument doesn’t work though, because nobody thinks that toilets have souls.
I think the person who wrote the question meant to say “pro-choice with regard to abortion/pregnancy…” the way it’s worded it sounds like he’s saying that he’s likening women to toilets, rather than abortion to toilets, which I think was the original intent.
Either way, I agree… The answer is “yes.” At least from my position. And I’m not sure I understand why that’s so silly… Am I really that blind anymore?
Agreed. In complete concurrence.
People who are full of sh$%& debating over an item that is full of s·$%"
I have a feeling you didn’t actually watch the video…
Anyway, that was pretty epic.
Rand paul reminds me of Reagan, he obviously knows far more than he is saying in order to be electable, I just hope he doesn’t end up governing like Reagan too.
Trust them to get bogged in a discussion over the toilet rather than the philosophical point Rand is making.
I just saw this clip today and remembered the title of this thread. I didn’t realize the context of the comment…and I certainly didn’t realize the awesomeness of the dialogue…
The Pro Choice position on abortion is a great opportunity to exploit when arguing with progressives. People are either free to choose or they are not.
That setting up a tough turf to play on if you’re a pro-life libertarian. It could easily go:
Progressive: Well, you’re pro choice on everything else but not on the right to choose?
Libertarian: I’m pro individual liberty. You don’t have the right to take the life another individual.
P: Why not?
L: It infringes on their rights.
P: …Just like your pollution infringes on mine.