So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

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101 Reasons to Move to New Hampshire, huh? Sounds intriguing. That’s a lot of reasons…I’m intrigued. Let’s hear some.

#1 It’s motto is “live free or die.”

Oh…well, I mean, if it’s in the state motto…

#2 It was the first state to declare independence from England… over 200 years ago.

Because that’s important.

#3 New Hampshire residents were the first to seize powder and guns from the fort of William and Mary…over 200 years ago.

Because that’s even more important. And relevant too!

#4 New Hampshire was the first state to adopt a revolutionary constitution…over 200 years ago.

I gotta say I’m really getting convinced

#5 New Hampshire was the first state to hold a Constitutional Convention…over 200 years ago.

Is anyone else sensing a theme here?

#6 New Hampshire was the first state to require that its Constitution be referred to the people for approval…over 200 years ago.

I gotta tell ya this New Hampshire place sounds pretty interesting…over 200 years ago.

#7) New Hampshireps constitution is the ONLY constitution in the WORLD that expressly protects its citizens right to revolution.

Great. So if the government get so obtrusive that the people have to revolt, it’s good to know they won’t be breaking any of said government’s laws. I mean it’s one thing to be a revolutionary…it’s another to be a lawbreaker.

#8 New Hampshire’s governorship is the weakest of all the states due to our unique, constitutionally mandated system of checks and balances against the power of the governor.

Cuz when I’m determining where I want to reside, the weakness of the governor is just at the top of my list.

#9 New Hampshire offers the best representation of any state NATIONWIDE with a 400-member House of Representatives.

Hey great. More politicians.

#10 New Hampshire offers a true citizen legislature - a government of the people based on their $100 per year pay to legislators.

Well hey, I mean if they’re only paid $100/ yr, everything must be dandy.

A word of advice. When you’re trying to persuade people, you begin with your strongest argument. And quite frankly if this is the best you can do I don’t see many people being convinced. I did go through the rest of the list and while I would argue there actually were some better reasons than the first 10, they’re weren’t many, and the ones that were there don’t weigh very heavily. And there were plenty that were actually just as bad (if not worse/less relevant) than those 10. I mean, is the fact that New Hampshire is home to the tallest mountain in the northeast corner of the United States exactly a selling point to convince someone to pack up and move to the far northeast corner of the United States? Not for me.

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i’m all talk and no action.

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Nationalism, dirty old nationalism.

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A silly advise for the FSP movement: try to facilitate job finding for libertarians. Wibee is right, people mostly follow the money. What the FSP could do is 1) make sure libertarians find jobs once in NH and 2) only libertarians can use the FSB job-finding service. But again, just a silly advice.

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A word of advice. When you’re trying to persuade people, you begin with your strongest argument. And quite frankly if this is the best you can do I don’t see many people being convinced. I did go through the rest of the list and while I would argue there actually were some better reasons than the first 10, they’re weren’t many, and the ones that were there don’t weigh very heavily. And there were plenty that were actually just as bad (if not worse/less relevant) than those 10. I mean, is the fact that New Hampshire is home to the tallest mountain in the northeast corner of the United States exactly a selling point to convince someone to pack up and move to the far northeast corner of the United States? Not for me.

This should be much more convincing:

http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011/NH

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Get me a job and i am there.

Check out the Grafton Free Market if you don’t mind agorism.

http://freegrafton.com/

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Oh hey…whattya know. Nevada is only 5 spots behind NH. That actually supports my case. Just like this does.

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Making too much money where I am. I go for the quick wins and change the things I can control. Just because a group of people understand that the truth about the state, it doesn’t mean I want to hang out with them. lol.

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“Making too much money where I am. I go for the quick wins and change the things I can control. Just because a group of people understand that the truth about the state, it doesn’t mean I want to hang out with them. lol.”

dang, I wanna hang out with you…makin all that cheese…I wanna see how you do it.

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They make cheese in Vermont. Right next door to New Hampshire. (They are often confused with each other but VT is the one in the shape of a “V”). Maybe you should move there afterall.

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“dang, I wanna hang out with you…makin all that cheese…I wanna see how you do it.”

Wasn’t trying to be like that… I just mean that my family and I would probably not live as well in NH because of jobs.

What I am getting at is that I am not willing to sacrifice my or my family’s well-being in any way. Like I said, I go for quick wins and I just live and let live. I don’t vote. I talk to folks who care to listen about the true nature of the state. That’s it.

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I just mean that my family and I would probably not live as well in NH because of jobs.

NH has the 3rd-lowest lowest unemployment rate.

http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

Nevada’s unemployment rate is the highest.

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And California’s was the next highest, and Florida’s was two spots behind that. Gee. I wonder if it’s a coincidence those were the three most overbuilt housing markets. What’s your point?

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That is the kind of honesty I can relate to :slight_smile:

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And California’s was the next highest, and Florida’s was two spots behind that. Gee. I wonder if it’s a coincidence those were the three most overbuilt housing markets. What’s your point?

That NH is doing better than other states and is full of jobs. Employment won’t be an issue. The other day I met someone who moved to NH a few months ago with the FSP and found a job within two weeks of moving there.

http://freestateproject.org/jobs

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And I know a guy who met a girl and 10 minutes later was having sex with her. So what.

And no amount of anecdotes is going to refute anything I said. You’ll have to come up with a better reason.

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I don’t see how Nevada aka California Jr. aka the real East LA is any better than NH. For one thing NH already has dozens of liberty-minded individuals residing inside it who are doing all sorts of liberty activism incld. black market agorism and civil disobedience against victimless crime laws. Lots of in-the-system libertarians are trying to do away with state-mandated kindergarten and compulsory skooling all together.

Also, NH has unmatched political influence. Primary season started here weeks ago and MSM outlets are all over the place. NH may be the biggest shot Ron Paul and Gary Johnson have.

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hehe. “the real east la”. That’s kind of funny but I really don’t see how Nevada could be considered California jr. That kinda sounds like calling New Hampshire “Massachusetts jr”. I’m not sure you could find many more pairs of states that are farther apart from each other in terms of a lot of things, but that are physically so close together. (And even on that freedom study you linked to, NV and CA are 42 spots apart from each other…and wouldn’t you know it, NH and MA are 45 spots apart :wink: ).

Look I never said Nevada as it currently is is a freer state or anything like that. My whole point was that it’s pretty free (again, only 5 spots behind #1 NH on that study you linked to), and my guess is you’d have a much easier time convincing people to move there. And it’s also not far behind NH in the primary schedule either. Obviously I have no control over the FSP…You just asked the question and I answered. It’s New Hampshire. And then I asked you a question in return, if they’re so concerned with convincing people to move where they are, why doesn’t the FSP move to a state more people are likely to be interested in moving to.

It’s not like I expect FSP to move, just like I’m not sure you expected anyone here to be convinced to move to NH. I just figured I’d humor you with discussion.

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why were you using the old link? I was actually on the team that updates the reasons. HERE are the 101 reasons to move to NH.

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Look I never said Nevada as it currently is is a freer state or anything like that. My whole point was that it’s pretty free (again, only 5 spots behind #1 NH on that study you linked to), and my guess is you’d have a much easier time convincing people to move there. And it’s also not far behind NH in the primary schedule either. Obviously I have no control over the FSP…You just asked the question and I answered. It’s New Hampshire. And then I asked you a question in return, if they’re so concerned with convincing people to move where they are, why doesn’t the FSP move to a state more people are likely to be interested in moving to.

OK, explain once again why Nevada is more libertarian than NH, because if that were the case it would have been at least considered for the destination of the FSP when the FSP was first established. The choice of NH for the FSP is still being debated in libertarian/anarcho-capitalist communities as we can see here. The FSP looked at NH, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, the Dakotas, Alaska and lefty/socialist states like Vermont and Delaware and chose NH. I don’t see why Nevada would be more appealing than NH. Yes there’s fun spots (Vegas) but NH has its places too. I want to know why Nevada would be a better state than NH.

And the people moving to NH from Mass are mostly anti-statists. My friend lives in Pelham, NH on the Mass border and there’s tons of tea partiers there.