Is this autmatic self-defense a libertarian reflex to the constant onslaught of statism?
I do kid, but I don’t see why you appear to quarrel; I was generally agreeing with you. I said I drink raw milk but have not personally read of the benefits; I have just heard.
Plus, I said that if raw milk can be regulated, then so can many other things along the same reasoning. NH doesn’t have this raw milk problem, so I don’t know why you mention regulation. We agree 
Em_ptySkin wrote: I think that taking over a state is impossible. The more feasible option would be finding a large enough place of land (Not an entire state) that a community can function completly independent in terms of food and jobs from multi national corporations. Then to form a City-State there…
I’m working on a plan to do just this, but it involves forming permanent communities that live on the ocean in floating structures 
Em_ptySkin wrote: I think that taking over a state is impossible. The more feasible option would be finding a large enough place of land (Not an entire state) that a community can function completly independent in terms of food and jobs from multi national corporations. Then to form a City-State there…
I’m working on a plan to do just this, but it involves forming permanent communities that live on the ocean in floating structures
That’s what I could imagine free staters doing: completely freeing a small town and turning it into the closest thing possible to a free market stateless territory within a state. Grafton, NH is looking like it might become that place.
I actually was one of the three people who just rewrote the 101 reasons in the winter, you don’t need to tell me whats in it.
You have to pay Federal income tax in every state, you pay social security and medicare in every state, this equalizes all of the states to a large degree. If there was no Federal government, then yes it looks like New Hampshire would probably be noticably more free than the other states.
Basically nobody drinks raw milk, its not a selling point. I don’t care if it is or isn’t more healthy.
Whats up with the obsession with self reliance and survival techniques. Self reliance sounds like a great way to live in poverty. Living in cities allows you to take advantage of a greater division of labor and more competition..
there are plenty of people in rural areas that live off of Big Government subsidies, its certainly not something that only comes with big cities. You are also more likely to have a good ole boys situation in a rual area with your local government. If you get on their bad side, they will know exactly who you are, and could make your life hell. In a city, its unlikely that you would be persecuted for personal or political beliefs by the individuals bestowed with the power of government, because they aren’t likely to know who you are.
Emminent Domain isn’t really that big of a deal compared to property taxes. Its likely that most people will never have their property siezed under emminent domain, but EVERYBODY has to pay property tax. basically the local governments of NH think that they part own a larger percentage of your property than most other areas of the country. How is that in line with property rights?
I don’t know whats up with open carrying in the state house. What is the point of that? Kind of turns the ‘gun in the room’ argument on its head, especially in the eyes of the public.
I actually was one of the three people who just rewrote the 101 reasons in the winter, you don’t need to tell me whats in it.
So how much different would you say NH winters are from ones in - I don’t know - Maryland or Indiana?
You have to pay Federal income tax in every state, you pay social security and medicare in every state, this equalizes all of the states to a large degree. If there was no Federal government, then yes it looks like New Hampshire would probably be noticably more free than the other states.
And I 100% agree w/ you on all of that. Full blown NH secession is what I’m pushing for in the short-term.
Basically nobody drinks raw milk, its not a selling point. I don’t care if it is or isn’t more healthy.
People here do. I’d much rather get my milk from a farmer down the street then go to the store where I can only get pasteurized milk that I don’t know what’s in it. As people educate themselves more on food and diets that actually work they’ll have more of a demand for raw milk and there will be more of a move to states where it’s legal.
Whats up with the obsession with self reliance and survival techniques. Self reliance sounds like a great way to live in poverty. Living in cities allows you to take advantage of a greater division of labor and more competition..
Because we don’t know what could happen in the near future. Human society has been seriously dumbed down since the move from the country to the city and even more so when it moved to civilization some 10,000 years ago. Self-reliance is a great way to get out of the collectivist mentality that cities and civilization foster and live by your own skills regardless as to what happens. You tell me if most of the people you know who live in cities would be able to survive a huge (and when I say “huge” I mean something that makes the 2008 meltdown look like a walk in the park) economic collapse.
there are plenty of people in rural areas that live off of Big Government subsidies, its certainly not something that only comes with big cities. You are also more likely to have a good ole boys situation in a rual area with your local government. If you get on their bad side, they will know exactly who you are, and could make your life hell. In a city, its unlikely that you would be persecuted for personal or political beliefs by the individuals bestowed with the power of government, because they aren’t likely to know who you are.
Did you know that Grafton, NH has just one cop? And name me a single case of police brutality that’s happened in a rural area.
Emminent Domain isn’t really that big of a deal compared to property taxes. Its likely that most people will never have their property siezed under emminent domain, but EVERYBODY has to pay property tax. basically the local governments of NH think that they part own a larger percentage of your property than most other areas of the country. How is that in line with property rights?
Think about it this way: you don’t really own property. No one does. You technically rent it from the state. That’s why any resistance to ED is a good thing. And you can find ways to avoid property taxes once you’re in NH. Live in an RV and park it outside a friend’s house, for example.
I don’t know whats up with open carrying in the state house. What is the point of that? Kind of turns the ‘gun in the room’ argument on its head, especially in the eyes of the public.
When I carry my gun in public, I’m telling everyone to back off and not mess with me. That’s the whole point. Anyone working for the state is a criminal so it makes sense to be armed in their presence.
This is just one more piece of evidence that makes me wonder about you.
It’s also a great way to live in poverty.
You cannot be serious.
It’s also a great way to live in poverty.
Define “poverty”. If it means not being able to obtain the things you need to survive on a day-to-day basis then I can assure you you’ll be in poverty when/if the economy crashes for good and you lack the skills.
You cannot be serious.
Study primitive peoples. I’m not kidding.
To abandon specialization and live solely on what you alone can produce would indeed be a good way to enter poverty. Have fun with that.
To abandon specialization and live solely on what you alone can produce would indeed be a good way to enter poverty. Have fun with that.
And you can have fun starving to death once civ crumbles as the economy collapses and political system goes belly-up.
Needless alarmism.
Needless alarmism.
Explain what your plan is to deal w/ collapse.
You are feeding the fears people have that AnCap = complete chaos.
I have a plan. I was a boy scout. I can take care of myself in the wilderness, hunt if need be, etc.
But I’m also realistic about the chances of that being necessary, which are virtually zero. You don’t understand the nature of the market nor what financial collapse means if you think it can happen so easily. You don’t understand the source of wealth itself, which stems initially from the power of human imagination and work.
I would put being nuked ahead of financial collapse in terms of likelihood, and even that I don’t consider likely.
You’re talking as if such a possibility is on the verge, when it’s not. Even if we defaulted, we’re not talking financial collapse. A default nearly happened not because we can’t pay our bills but because Congress couldn’t agree on how to pay them.
You’re way out of line.
During the German hyperinflation of the 1920s, did you see people leaving in droves to live off the land? I don’t think so, at least I have never heard of that.
Life sucks balls in a hyperinflaiton, you can’t save, time preference drops to basically zero, but life was STILL better than living like hunter-gatherer.
NH winter was noticiably worse than in MD. December was that bad, but Jan and Feb were miserable and then March was very cold and even April was very cool, lots of grey days in the low 50s. May, June, September, and October are the only pleasant months weather wise. Maybe the start of November and the end of April, the ocasional day in July, and the tail end of August if you’re lucky, although there were days at the end of August last year that were 100 +.
Weare is a very small town in NH and they have had a number of run ins between free staters and the police.
I blame the popular fantasy culture for this through their end-of-movie scenes where the whole building collapses/island sinks.
During the German hyperinflation of the 1920s, did you see people leaving in droves to live off the land? I don’t think so, at least I have never heard of that.
And maybe if they did fascism would have been avoided. The whole point of “living off the land” is to ignore the state and live by your own rules and skills.
Life sucks balls in a hyperinflaiton, you can’t save, time preference drops to basically zero, but life was STILL better than living like hunter-gatherer.
How so? I’m on the belief that civilization is by its nature collectivist.
NH winter was noticiably worse than in MD. December was that bad, but Jan and Feb were miserable and then March was very cold and even April was very cool, lots of grey days in the low 50s. May, June, September, and October are the only pleasant months weather wise. Maybe the start of November and the end of April, the ocasional day in July, and the tail end of August if you’re lucky, although there were days at the end of August last year that were 100 +.
I’ll admit it’s been very hot and humid in NH this summer. But what makes you think MD is any better economic-wise? Do you really think MD (which was ranked as one of the least free states) has any shot of becoming as libertarian as NH?
Weare is a very small town in NH and they have had a number of run ins between free staters and the police.
Grafton is a very small town and it only has one cop.
If by ‘collectivist’ you mean ‘socialistic’, then you are just so wrong. Whole point of austrian economics is to show that foundations of civilizations are anything but socialistic.
EDIT: Ok I put it slightly wrong. The results of Austrian economics have shown to us would be much better.
Civilization IS collectivist/socialist. Once you’re in civ you’re automatically thrown into a group and forced to think with the group. Socialism is any system that puts the collective over the individual, so civ is blatantly socialist.
Come to NH. Live off the land for a little while and see how much better you like it compared with being shoved into a city with a million others where you’re coerced into going out of your way for others.
In other news, Free Keene activist Ian Freeman is being imprisoned for 90 days.
http://freekeene.com/2011/08/10/free-keene-blogger-ian-freeman-caged-for-90-days/