You’re not FORCED to think with the group unless you have government indoctrination. And society is not a bad thing. Many of the major advances in history are due to interaction of knowledge and ideas. Heck, this forum is a society. Are we thus collectivist? (Though I must admit I have found myself irrationally agreeing with some people here 
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Collectivism by choice = free association = good
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Good in the sense of libertarian principles. Though you can argue “doing crack by choice = individual choice = good,” though I would disagree. The argument becomes not moral but practical: “can you achieve your maximum potential if you interact in a society of people or does that inherently dumb you down.”
Civilization IS collectivist/socialist. Once you’re in civ you’re automatically thrown into a group and forced to think with the group. Socialism is any system that puts the collective over the individual, so civ is blatantly socialist.
This is ridiculous. Civilization has nothing to do with collectivism or socialism. Civilization is a collection of people whom VOLUNTARILY interact in their best economic and social interests.
Come to NH. Live off the land for a little while and see how much better you like it compared with being shoved into a city with a million others where you’re coerced into going out of your way for others.
I’ve done the whole ‘getting back to nature’ thing here in Arkansas. It is a dreadfully boring existence, in my opinion. It steals time from other activities I can be doing that will improve the world, like overhauling the education system. Or maybe inventing a new product. Instead, you’re tending to your garden or cattle. Minimalism isn’t for everyone. And civilization isn’t bad because it isn’t minimalist.
As for why I’ve never moved to New Hampshire for the Free State Project? I hate colde weather with every fiber in my body. They should’ve started it in Belize. I could get behind that.
Too far north too damn cold
there is nothing immoral about doing crack… maybe you should have used murder or rape as an example, but not doing crack.. The main thing is, is that state socialism/collectivism is coercion while society forming from a division of labor is not…
I don’t think he was referring to the morality of doign crack. More of a ‘crack is bad for your body’ analogy.
the sentence after that one, does imply that he was meaning it as a moral statement
Yes. It’s not necessarily immoral, it’s just not good to be doing crack.
Too far north too damn cold
It gets as hot as Florida does in the summer. This July it was nearly 100 degrees out. It only gets “too damn cold” in December, Jan, Feb, and most of March.
I’ve done the whole ‘getting back to nature’ thing here in Arkansas. It is a dreadfully boring existence, in my opinion. It steals time from other activities I can be doing that will improve the world, like overhauling the education system. Or maybe inventing a new product. Instead, you’re tending to your garden or cattle. Minimalism isn’t for everyone. And civilization isn’t bad because it isn’t minimalist.
No. Civ is based on agriculture and animal husbandry. I’m talking about living like a hunter-gatherer where you hunt and gather your food supply in the wild.
As for why I’ve never moved to New Hampshire for the Free State Project? I hate colde weather with every fiber in my body. They should’ve started it in Belize. I could get behind that.
Look, no one likes the cold. But all of the states nominated for the FSP (meaning the states which are the most libertarian and free market) all have weather. NH, Wyoming, Idaho, Alaska, Montana and the Dakotas aren’t Belize but they’re not Cuba either.