On the Mises Forum, there has been posts stating that Obama, Clinton, and McCain are all socialists. While the veracity of that may or may not be true (it is apparently true to me), big S Socialists of the Marxist variety do no think the 3 are socialist enough.
possibly because it isn’t Ironic? I wouldn’t conflate the three with socialists. Statists, certainly, but they are certainly not socialists. Since they represent neither of the two groups (libertarian or socialist) It would seem fitting that both groups tend to oppose them.
Perhaps. From observations on this forum, there have been posts which call the three socialists as well as statists. Furthermore, and an obvious fact, but worth stating, all three groups may tend to oppose each other. However, it does appear that the three Statists do have socialist tendencies in their economic polices.
The Socialist Worker goons have the same problem we do: they don’t understand incrementalism. I have no doubt that both Obama and Hillary are much further to the left than their platforms. Can you imagine either of them running in a further-left country and cutting taxes and regulations down to their current platform? Of course not.
Obama certainly counts as socialist as far as I’m concerned, or at least something close to it. Clinton and McCain seem more reminiscent of corporatists.