http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=161233
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You know, the men who signed the declaration of independence weren’t just making an empty declaration. They were making a declaration that they were going to fight if their independence wasn’t respected. To fight, you need to have an organisation, and one year of planning is not going to be enough to build that organisation.
I posted a new thread too late because I was making propaganda cat image.
Abolish the Government on 11/5/99
Agorism: Beat the State, show a profit, all in a non-violent way
Those sneaky Paulies. Co-opting your anarchism!
The people who got the Ron Paul bug don’t worry about logistics and timelines. They don’t sweat the details. They just do it, and see how far they can go.
The Founders didn’t have the internet, YouTube, radio, cars, etc.
They’re going to go as far as jail.
My point exactly. There is a right time and a wrong time to do things. Now is definitely the wrong time for an anarchist movement.
Maybe. I’m sure some people said that about the Founders after reading Common Sense.
QFT.
‘‘If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves’’ Churchil
It all reminds me of Patrick Henry’s speech: http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html
“And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending–if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained–we must fight!”
Inspirational quotes are by definition inspiring, but declaring that you will abolish the United States government within a year is ridiculous. Instead, you should be spreading libertarian ideals as much as possible to make an anarchist movement possible in the future. Right now, however, you are asking the federal government to go Waco on you.
About 300 million people stand between you and your “anarchy”.
Are you saying that we do nothing or that we stand up now and become a footnote of history?
Why not worry about reducing the power of the state first? People will only accept a few changes at a time, and “anarchy” is a radical proposition that will quickly be refused. The word anarchy is a sick thing to begin with, I thought you were all in favor of the rule of law, not the rule of none.
At the rate that Americans have been becoming libertarians over the past century, I’d say that maybe we’ll be ready to go in another 4000 years. Till then, sit back at the computer desk, and let’s just keep “educating” and doing little-to-nothing else.
Will we be any less in danger of having the government go Waco on us 50 years from now? 100 years from now? 500?
lol wut?
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Please explain how “no rulers” is the same as “chaos.”
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Where did I ever say we need to promote anarchy outright?
I guess you haven’t really been following this entire Ron Paul thing going on then, huh? And it’s nice to know that you’ve been doing absolutely nothing to spread libertarianism. My story, however, is different.
The Ron Paul thing where I convinced a dozen people to vote for Ron Paul in the primary, thinking I had converted them to libertarianism, only to have them all fall back into the lull of statist propaganda once again and be supporting either the Obama or the Palin ticket? Even if the same rate of growth that the libertarian movement has experienced during the Ron Paul Revolution were to hold, then maybe we’ll be ready to go in a century or two?
I didn’t think I was doing absolutely nothing, but after working my BUTT off trying to coordinate as many people to oppose this financial bailout thing as I possibly could and spending hours and hours, calling, emailing, writing, faxing, and getting others to do the same, seeing 90% of the American people with me on this, and seeing Congress just go ahead and pass it anyway, it does pretty much seem like I did absolutely nothing. That’s the biggest footnote in history of all.
So uhm, having an entire ruling class above the law is your definition of the rule of law? When dictators can say “I am the law!”? That, is precisely what lawlessness is. And btw, the word for lawlessness is anomie, not anarchy. In fact, anarchy is a synonym for a lawful society, for only when there are no archons above the law, when everyone is equal before it, can there be a true rule of law. Any plans to create order and law by creating a ruling class above it, are futile and self-defeating.
Those are the definitions. I do agree though that the word “anarchy” is emotionally charged, and Voluntaryism is probably a better word to use for a movement.
Freheit, don’t take this the wrong way, but generally people here assume any overt attempts at confronting the state will fail. I don’t know why it’s like that, but it is. But it’s good that you’re inspired. Stay inspired.