stratfor turns its bully pulpit towards ANARCHEEE1!1!1!111

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/anarchy-and-hegemony?utm_source=freelist-f&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20130425&utm_term=Kweekly&utm_content=readmore&elq=5c62e959b15246a8b7fa23beef27794a

by Robert Kaplan

Golly, this reminds me of someone here. Start with a false premise, then move into geopolitics while overplaying it’s significance, segue to supremacy of a certain portion of the species. Finish with something obscure someone else said, close article.

i knew you had a little dick Habba.

@OP

Malachai you did not comment. “Do you know how I know you’ve not read anything about geopolitics?”

you do know what he means when he refers to anarchy in this context right?

No one with a brain likes Kaplan.

no I didnt comment.

“Do you know how I know you’ve not read anything about geopolitics?”

is that a quote from an earlier discussion? what are you driving at?

“you do know”

theres this new thing called bing where you type somebody’s name in it and you get stuff from the intarnetz that has his name on it, it totally works for other stuff tooo. so yah I picked up on that. you should also be aware that when stratfor emails people about how anarchy is bad its prolly part of a discursive repair to the fiction of sovereignty. since this is the legitimate main official forums for every anarchist, whether they like it or not, I thought people might like to see what it looks like when you (discursively) spackle over cracks that are evidence of an unevenly sinking foundation.

Is it really fake if enough people believe it? are religions real? They are real in the sense that we must deal with them. even if they are just beliefs that people have. What about sciece? the higgs boson? Is that real?

ha. I love how no one can look at the world without placing their own preferences onto it amd hence judging others. You pay your taxes. So shut the fuck up with this “fiction of sovereignety” bullshit. you a fucking chickenhawk just like every other pussy taxpayer on this board. Join me in not paying taxes and convincing others not to do so (the only effective nonviolent method of crippling state power that is NEVER suggested) and we’ll talk about the merits of anarchy.

AKA, If anarchy were possible I’d take it more seriously. But even anarchists pay their taxes.

Been there, done that.

Refusing to get a job does not count as a tax protest.

I wish I didn’t have a job. if your employers don’t “hire” you, they don’t have to pay taxes either!

no but it takes 100 gazillion people. srsly?

so is it real or can you opt out of the fiction and only deal with agents of the state?

wrong. state power is a fiction. exposing the fiction weakens it, hence discursive repairs. do you even read the articles you link?

lol you have assburger’s tourettes, you cant stop shitting out your mouth.

anarchy is impossible to escape. and I’m sure that if you were accosted by a minor criminal you would die or kill him before you gave up your wallet. but I wonder how it is that you think you know so much about me that I would not.

If you are saying here what I think you are saying then awesome.

What? I’m urban.

If it wasn’t real what is there to opt out of?

If states can act (which they do to tax) how can they be fiction? Or are you saying collective state power is a fiction? If that is what you are saying then you are going to refer back to the indiviudals who have “meaningless” positions of power nothing that allow them to be convince others to exercise what exactly? i see no way of avoiding “power” existence. Collective power, when people do nothing or even encourage particular other people to act is very much a thing.

Even if people legitimize a fiction, through institutions that people do not question or challenge, the “power” the legitimizing of the power makes it real. What is real is that people do not fight back in any way. This is the power. So while individuals, ultimately exercise what is known as state power, it is the collective non-encroachment of people that amounts to the “state” part of it.

Like it or not there has never been a point in history where an entire people has said, “eh, we don’t want a state.” People want to be ruled and the people who know how to do it, do.

I just want to say that I adore the title of this thread. It’s literally increased the quality of my day. +1 Malachi

believing in the fiction.

states dont tax. some people, criminal aggressors, call them agents of the state, collude to extort money from people. “the state” is their alibi. I dont buy that alibi.

that thing is reducible to the actions and decisions of individual human beings and the constraints imposed on them by reality. abstracting it into a boogeyman is statist rhetoric and doesnt help to understand things.

none of which has anything to do with me. if you dont like people believing in a fiction you peel back the veil for them. so, discursive tears in the fiction. state power is always enforced by one or more individuals. I do not subscribe to their alibi.

I’m not a collectivist. I dont wait for an entire people to decide whatever. I work on my own stuff. everybody wants to save the world when they cant even void their own bowels correctly.

btw if you havent figured it out yet, the act of ruling is a continuing process. people’s wants arent static, they are dynamic.

No shit. I don’t know if you know this, but I’m familiar with the literature on this site. When you read more and more of the stuff “outside” of it, the more there is to consider.

If opting out of believing in the fiction includes paying taxes, then you have only fooled yourself into thinking that you are independent of the system. You haven’t opted out of anything. Taxation is the direct representation of people’s acquiescence to a structure of power that intimidates them into “believing.”

you are scared to engage in it because you’ve taken such a “radical” position. My “statist rhetoric” was actually a “philosophy of action dilemma.” You’re just weak mentally and do not want to have to find “words” (that are all social constructs) to try and explain why the “state” (another social construct) does not exist. Any philosopher will tell you that you have taken two contradictory positions on a fundamental level.

Who wants to save the world? It is not a prerequisite that one’s ambition is to save the world in order to be a leader. That is what utopian anarchists think. Most rulers, seems to me, want to rule. Not paying taxes is the direct representation of someone ignoring the leader’s wish; it is a statement that one wishes to rule oneself. it is the most powerful form of disobedience (if you acknowledge the definition of that word, I don’t know if power is a fiction that you’ll admit the social construct of the word ‘obedience’ as having any merit in the real world) Social ‘philosophers’ are the worst.

At any rate, I’m not gonna argue this point. history is full of “fictional stories” of states, being led and administered by individuals, “acting.” States simply are social constructs. Whether it be by consent (sentimentalist in my opinion), or by force, they exist. Stand up to the powers until taxation is voluntary. Until then states will continue to exist.

Looks like Aristophanes has finally become a Statist.

Yeah, my adovcation of tax protesting is totally a measure of my statism.

Always knew you were a commie socialist.

Exactly how stupid do you have to be to run around bragging about not paying taxes? Has someone taken up basketball?

We have freedom of speech in this country (right?). you’re just a chump Habba. That’s all.

All you have to do is read Thoreau, part of the American literary lexicon. He tells you that if you do not support the government that you should not fund it. And if you do, then you are a hypocrite. I’m pretty sure voluntarims is, like, based around voluntary behavior. How am I not in accord with that?

Also, malachi’s assertion that states are fictions is kind of put to rest if people will not repudiate taxes. The power of the state, at its very core, is the power to extract money from people against their will. State efficiency might rise and fall, but its power is not in question (RE: caplan’s book).

You forgot geopolitics. Something about Turkey, maybe.