The First Church of Mises

tl;dr - Jump down to the end

OK, I watched a bunch of lectures by Daniel Dennett today and I’m kind of steamed up. Dennett has some of the most astounding insights on the nature of human society, religion and so on but he also has this amazing blind-spot toward his employer, the State.

In one lecture I watched, Dennett speculates on ideas for how atheists might go about replacing religion - or at least the objectionable parts of religion while keeping the good parts - with a credible alternative. At the conclusion of the talk, he holds up the TED conferences as an example of an organization with amazing success in simply spreading truth. My view of the LvMI is every bit as high.

But there’s something missing in the LvMI. Its primary focus is academic - which is great as far as it goes. But it doesn’t go far enough. What I believe is needed is an organization that reaches out to the masses in a direct form, in the way that churches do by providing regular instruction and community interaction.

In another talk, Dennett discusses folk tunes and words as “undomesticated memes” - they serve no particular purpose except their own existence and they are indifferent to the ends of individual humans. These are different from memes such as religious beliefs which can induce the bearer of the meme to sacrifice his own ends and serve other purposes, much in the same way that a parasitic virus can drive its host to suicidal actions that serve the reproductive purposes of the virus but are detrimental to the survival of the host.

Curiously, Dennett never mentions the parasite par excellence - the State. Unlike the State, churches do not tax you, and those that do always do so with the assistance and cooperation of the State, essentially making them just another organ of the State. Taxation is obviously parasitic and clearly distinguishable from other forms of transactions in which all parties to the transaction willingly agree to enter into it. (We can nitpick over the gray areas of private monopoly privilege and the extent to which that removes the de facto voluntariness but the core issue of what is really voluntary versus involuntary remains crystal clear).

But these are all purely analytical considerations. Part of my interest has to do not only with how we know what is good for us but how we feel it, as well. One of the roles of religion is to act as what Dennett terms a “moral team” - it’s a group of people who “believe in” a set of values. In this way, one’s value are not only analytically assented to but they are also viscerally felt.

Most people are not moral philosophers, so they do not spend a lot of time reflecting on what constitutes good versus evil. That is, they are not specialists in morality. The decision to belong to any given moral team is largely based on other factors - prior membership of one’s family or friends, good PR, reputable and famous teachers, good slogans, and so on. These are the “packaging” on the product. What’s inside isn’t always what was advertised but the point is that people do not choose their “moral team” on the basis of weighing the product itself so much as the packaging.

Also, I think that we can tend to underestimate the extent to which “gut feeling” is the real determining factor in our choices. Even if you carefully study a menu at a restaurant on one visit, that is no guarantee that you will study it as carefully every time, or that you studied all the menuse of all the available restaurants in the area before making a purchasing decision, and so on. We’re always acting on incomplete information and the “gut instinct” plays a role in providing heuristics in that information vacuum that keep us from making really bad mistakes almost all of the time.

The only correct basis for methodical decision-making is individual self-satisfaction. But what satisfies us is not solely or even mostly a function of internal factors within the self. The state of satisfaction itself is completely subjective but the conditions which bring about satisfaction are not solely or even mostly internal. The conditions of satisfaction may be amenable to conscious influence to a degree but the majority of the conditions for satisfaction lie outside of the self. In fact, they reside mostly within the social order itself.

How we expect people to respond to our own actions (versus how they actually do respond) is the single largest component in determining our state of satisfaction. This can be seen to be true by following the preconditions required to eat your breakfast. At every step of the way, you must interact with someone and you must please them well enough that they will render a service to you in exchange - such as the sale of groceries or the writing of a paycheck.

But feeling what is the correct path to attaining one’s satisfaction is even more difficult than analyzing it. If you spend enough time analyzing the problem, you will probably come out with pretty decent answers. The only trouble is that the majority of your life will be consumed with such analysis, which is a very high cost to avoid mistakes that could probably be avoided much more cheaply.

One of the primary ways that humans learn is by emulation of their peers. Churches definitely provide this sort of instructional environment. You don’t have to study the Bible to get the gist of what kinds of actions are desirable or undesirable for the Christian believer. Even if you were from a culture where there was nothing like organized religion, all you need to do is watch and learn, listen and imitate and you will be up to speed in very short order.

The only problem is that most churches inculcate really bad values - that is to say they inculcate statist value systems. In particular, they teach moral systems that are parasitic memes, moral systems that teach you that your satisfaction is the worst possible basis on which to make decisions - the exact opposite of reality.

Dennett never explicitly identifies the State as a culprit in memetic engineering and I remain perpetually mystified as to why Dennett/Dawkins/etc. lay the blame for wars on religion when it is obvious that the generals and Presidents are the immediate organizers of war.

Another role that these “moral teams” perform is filtration of the wider culture. The vast majority of cultural memes are at best deadweight - they may not be detrimental to you but they are not enhancing to your well-being, either. Organizations like the LvMI help perform this filtration at a scholarly level but we also need filtration of the popular culture and this function is best performed by the laity itself - movies, music, etc. recommendations or un-recommendations.

This is a point that I think a lot of secularists get completely wrong. In their campaign against State censorship, they forget that the vast majority of the media that is produced is deadweight and much of it is toxic and harmful. Ecumenism as a matter of policy is fine but not as a matter of social order. We need a “membrane” that pulls in nutrients and pushes the waste out.

(tl;dr) This brings me to the First Church of Mises. Obviously, the title is facetious but I think a case can be made for an organization which retains some of the attributes of religion - regular moral instruction, singing and community events - and dispenses sound moral instruction. What is sound moral instruction? Basically, the working out of the consequences of Epicurean/Misesean ideas on the only correct basis of decision-making: one’s own satisfaction.

This meme - that one’s own satisfaction is the only correct basis for decision-making - is to the mainstream moral dogmas of self-sacrifice, obedience and subjugation as the body’s T-cells are to a viral infection. That is, it acts as an immune response that confronts and destroys the parasitic memes that drive suicidal (what I term ‘self-treacherous’) actions within their hosts, such as the enthusiastic payment of taxes or zealous obedience to commands from self-appointed authorities.

But academic instruction or even popular media are not sufficient to really inculcate this meme into the public at large. What is needed are flesh-and-blood organizations - communities - that meet face-to-face and reinforce these values through ordinary social mechanisms so that they are felt as well as realized intellectually.

Clayton -

I actually read this whole post.

Are you a religious person Clayton?

@bloomj: Not any more. I was raised devoutly religious, however.

Clayton -

Clayton, are you familiar with Robert Nisbet? He argued that much of the influence of the state arose from the rise of individualism which broke apart the communities of former times and ultimately resulted in their replacement by statism rather than actual individualism. It seems that you are arguing with him that in order to eliminate the destructive, false community of the state, it is firstly necessary to create healthy communities based on evolving knowledge and customs conducive to well-being. This is also very close to the thought, for example, of Anthony de Jasay. The question is, how is such a community developed?

I’ve heard of Nisbet and I began reading de Jasay’s The State but had to put it down due to time constraints (work, side projects, family life).

I absolutely believe that individualism can be of a virulent, anti-family/anti-community type that breaks down the social fabric and renders the individuals - deprived of the natural safety net of family and genuine friends - vulnerable to systematic predation by the State.

As for the question of how, I think there are two routes, analogous to those being pursued in politics by LvMI on the one hand, and Ron Paul on the other.

The first (high) route would be to found an institute whose stated purpose and goal is to seed such community organizations from scratch. This institute could do facilitative things like creating online Meetup groups, publishing information on how to rent facilities and file for 501(c)3 status (although this potentially has speech-muzzling implications), “ordaining” speakers/activists (reputation network), and so on.

The second route would be to found a “theological LvMI” and simply “infiltrate” existing religious organizations, particularly those that are already liberalized to some extent (e.g. some Lutherans, Anglicans, etc.) As long as this “infiltration” is not covert - ala the Jesuits - it is not insidious. I think the Reconstructionists have pursued this strategy to an extent; I don’t know about their level of success but I find their ends to be dubious anyway (sorry Gary North, Rushdoony, et. al.) as they are not so much anti-state as anti-this-state, which is not very remarkable. Probably the closest thing to this kind of anti-statism through a theological/religious-people’s movement was that led by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. I think his death is a testament to just how effective this strategy could be in the right hands.

As for religiosity itself, I am not atheist. I don’t think that atheism is a prerequisite to anti-statism; many of the anti-statists I talk to seem to feel this way. Neither do you need to be anti-religion. In fact, I find anti-religionism puzzling since religion that isn’t monopolized by the State is voluntary, even if quirky. You don’t even have to be anti-Christian except that a lot of Christian dogma is anti-historical, which is difficult to reconcile with a creed of honest truth-seeking - but there is a long and somewhat suppressed (in Germany, Austria’s neighbor) traditional scholarship called the Higher Criticism that was reforming Christian dogma through the application of scholarly historicism. The interpretation of the Higher Criticism as atheistic is mistaken. The founder of the Tubingen School was himself a theologian. Maybe that’s just what we need - a Baur Institute… :stuck_out_tongue: And note that - just like the Austrian School of economics - the Higher Criticism is not dead, it’s just been marginalized for a very long time.

Clayton -

I’m more specifically anti-judaism-islam-christianity, which are harmfully stupid. Voluntary stupidity is not redeeming. “Quirky” is something like drinking juice with several straws.

After watching these Dennett videos you posted, I have to say I’m thoroughly confused. He missed the most important aspect of my relationship with God and that is the awareness and fear of my own mortality. Such a crucial aspect of so many religions in general and my experience of God in particular, I’m amazed he never talked about it once.

Accustom yourself to believing that death is nothing to us, for good and evil imply the capacity for sensation, and death is the privation of all sentience; therefore a correct understanding that death is nothing to us makes the mortality of life enjoyable, not by adding to life a limitless time, but by taking away the yearning after immortality. For life has no terrors for him who has thoroughly understood that there are no terrors for him in ceasing to live. Foolish, therefore, is the man who says that he fears death, not because it will pain when it comes, but because it pains in the prospect. Whatever causes no annoyance when it is present, causes only a groundless pain in the expectation. Death, therefore, the most awful of evils, is nothing to us, seeing that, when we are, death is not come, and, when death is come, we are not. It is nothing, then, either to the living or to the dead, for with the living it is not and the dead exist no longer.

But in the world, at one time men shun death as the greatest of all evils, and at another time choose it as a respite from the evils in life. The wise man does not deprecate life nor does he fear the cessation of life. The thought of life is no offense to him, nor is the cessation of life regarded as an evil. And even as men choose of food not merely and simply the larger portion, but the more pleasant, so the wise seek to enjoy the time which is most pleasant and not merely that which is longest.

  • Epicurus, Letter to Menoeceus ca. 300 BC

That really doesn’t answer why he doesn’t even talk about it.

He talks about other aspects of religion such as his analogy of the dog barking at the roof.

Just wait a few more decades for gene therapy.

That is not a novel idea. The problem is getting outsiders into it. But, it does happen at events like LSS and Bureacrash. There are even gasp females at such events.

He talks about death a little here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTuhSdvlX-A

Clayton -

The foolish man built his house upon the Fed… the foolish man built his house upon the Fed… the foolish man built his house upon the Fed, and the interest rate came tumbling down.

Oh, the interest came down and the inflation went up…

Most powerful aspect of religions is fertility and demography. You can see it on Mormons, Amish and others who have high fertility and retention rates, they just grow. We really need a Libertarian natalist-movement, that would secure the triumph of liberty.

Oh man, that really made me lol - apologies to any of you that didn’t go to Sunday School and thus won’t get the joke.

In one of those lectures, Dennett talks about the insipid quality of many of the Universal Unitarian hymns which use the old tunes and meters but replace the words with dull, wooden knock-offs.

Probably better would be to pay bands to come and perform but not to “put on a show” so much as to encourage people to sing along and dance. We’ve all but lost our folk tunes which is a very dangerous place to be in. While the vast majority of music is naturally apolitical, the power of political satire in folk music is astounding:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWE6seINeoE

Clayton -

I’ve thought about that and I don’t think it’s true. I think that movements which have something to “push” (namely the duty to engage in proselytization) are not primarily concerned about honesty and truth-seeking. Hence, they actually experience a high attrition-rate as people join and then realize they’re being sold a pile of steaming crap. The conscientious strategy of natalism of the Mormons and other religions is driven by the need to maintain a growing “core” of committed “believers.” I don’t think we need “believers” because we’re not asking people to believe (take on faith) anything.

However (I love that word), I think we need to keep the “rugged individualism” of a lot of libertarians in check - it easily becomes erosive to family (and thus, community) order. I think a lot of people who are attracted to libertarianism are attracted precisely because they are more or less alone in the world or wish to be alone (have little to do with their family). Look at Molyneux’s horde of adolescent admirers. He’s not just teaching liberty, he’s their group therapist. I think that’s really, really unhealthy. Instead of logging onto YouTube and feeling like someone like Molyneux - who’s never even heard or read their name - cares about them and understands their problems, they should be meeting people, building social networks, etc.

(Slightly O/T): I also have developed a philosophical issue with liberty as an end. With liberty, it is possible to say things like “Live Free or Die”, a motto which Dennett rightly mocks as just another idea to die for, alongside patriotism or social justice or whatever. This is possible because liberty is something outside of and greater than yourself. It doesn’t just mean liberty for yourself, it means liberty for “all people” or all the people in your country, or whatever. But this is precisely the problem: self-sacrificial (what I call self-treacherous) ideas that latch onto their host and drive them into giving up their own satisfaction for that of another. At all points, the only correct basis for methodical decision-making is one’s own satisfaction.

What I think is needed instead is satisfactionism. I would say hedonism but that already has another connotation. Perhaps we could reach back into ancient history and call it ataraxism after Epicurus’s ataraxia.

The triumph of a “religion of atarxism” is, I think, secured much more easily than the triumph of other kinds of religion (especially the religion of statism). Unlike the parasitic memes of other religions, ataraxism is not fighting gravity. You are born an ataraxist. A lot of what you learn as a child is how and why to abridge your uncompromising commitment to your own satisfaction. A great deal of this learning is absolutely necessary in that it is a higher form of ataraxism.

Consider basic etiquette - please, thank-you, table manners and so on - for example. As a child, these etiquette behaviors are onerous and abridge your natural instinct to self-satisfaction. But, as an adult, you will be glad that you learned them as a child. They are like grease that smooths your movement through the social order in a mostly painless and conflict-free manner. Without it, you would be ground to powder by the constant push-back of your peers offended by your uncouth behavior.

Self-sacrificial religious ideas, especially statism, “free ride” on this already existing mechanism for teaching children to abridge their natural instincts (for greater satisfaction later in life) but, unlike the natural ideas inculcated in youth, they are fundamentally opposed to the well-being of their host. One of the key steps to freeing people of the hold that statism and anti-ataraxic memes have on them is to identify the difference between self-sacrifice for the purpose of attaining greater satisfaction in the long-run, versus self-sacrifice on the behalf of an external beneficiary (parasite).

In fact, the key defense mechanism of all the great anti-ataraxic memes is to scramble the ability of people to think clearly about this very point. We invariably confuse voluntary action on the behalf of another (which is necessarily motivated by self-satisfaction) with the abnegation of self-satisfaction itself (breakdown of purposeful action that renders the individual vulnerable to external parasitism). How can people possibly confuse tax-funded welfare with charity?? The two are in no way related! Yet, the level of confusion surrounding such a basic point is staggering. So, Job #1 of anyone who thinks that anti-ataraxic memes need to go is to directly attack their defense mechanisms.

Returning to the point of natalism, I think that what is needed is instruction in what I’m calling ataraxism, especially for people who are parenting. Any adult is going to have to go through a process of “reversing” the programmed patterns of thought that anti-ataraxic memes have inculcated but we also need parents who know the difference between necessary self-sacrifice for long-run self-satisfaction versus abnegation of one’s own satisfaction. We need parents to work to filter the things they teach their children to those which are consistent with their child’s long-run ataraxia and shielding them from those which are not. So, there is definitely a role for the development of ideas directly targeted to helping parents educate their children in a healthy manner. I don’t think this is a “make or break” issue, though. It’s just one more thing that is needed.

Clayton -

I’ve only read through half the OP. I’ll have to finish it when I have time. That said, I LOVE where you are going with this (I say this as a non-religious atheist).

Sorry Clayton for my short answer, I will mostly comment your first paragraph. Writing in English is not my best skills.

It doesn’t have to be as strong movement as Mormons or other religious groups. Libertarians generally don’t understand how important factor demography is in defining future of societies, and some little “movement” might open their eyes. It seems to me that many libertarians just want to live “free” without family etc. and if they do something, it’s promotin liberty by participating L-party-activities or making Ron Paul signs after workday. This works to some extend, but it’s not fully efficient. I think it’s have been debated quite a lot about changing public opinion - yes, even though it’s needed, it’s pretty hard and time consuming. I think that having a family is another good strategy. Political opinions tend to be inherited, so you don’t have to brainwash your children or to do anything like that. Kids love to imitate their parents, so if you use your leisure to campaing for Ron Paul, read Mises etc. after few years you have your own little army of Misesians following you.

I’m not saying that we must go all-in, I just say that natalism is underrated.

I think Dennett is wrong on the meaning of ‘Live Free or Die’, as much as I like him (I studied evolutionary theory long before economics and have a familiarity with his work on this topic). It does not refer to one laying down his life for a greater cause, as in Patrick Henry’s ‘give me liberty or give me death’. What it means is that living in a general state of slavery could be so unpleasant that one would favour death than to continue the pain of such an existence. Thus, live free or suffer. See the USSR for some examples of this…

On the issue of modern precepts towards the attainment of eudaimonia and ataraxia (which in Epicureanism are the same end), I think that Harry Browne’s How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World is the most important work on this topic and deserves to be much better known than it currently is. This could be the germ of the Free Community. Link - http://www.bazkhani.com/wp-content/uploads/freedom_in_an_unfree_world.pdf

As a classicist, I was an Epicurean long before I became interested in economics. It’s interesting how things all fit together.

I agree - I have noticed that some frequenters of this and other boards still haven’t shaken the need to belong to a “greater purpose” and I think they ascribe to a kind of collectivist-libertarianism… either we’re all free or we need to be prepared to die. Libertarianism as a “cause greater than oneself” is a mistaken view. Liberty, too, is a means to an end, not an end in itself. It is simply the freedom of the will so that it can act to bring about its chosen ends. I think we can state it this way: wherever there is individual satisfaction, there must liberty (else people could not have acted to attain their satisfaction). But it always remains satisfaction/happiness/ataraxia/whatever-you-want-to-call-it which is the final end, the end which is never a means to any other end, the end-in-itself.

I’ve read the first couple chapters and skimmed the rest of that book. I love the idea of the book but I do have gripes with its execution: he gets a tad preachy in places, he can be a bit myopic on his conceptions of what constitutes the ideal lifestyle, and the latter sections of the book come across as advice-you-didn’t-ask-for.

But we definitely need a science of right-living that doesn’t just sketch out broad principles but attempts to provide some kind of specific moral advice that is persuasive on the basis of its methodology and humility. But I think we don’t even have a credible methodology yet - as David Friedman says:

A … reason to use practical rather than ethical arguments is that I know a great deal more about what works than about what is just… I think more is known about the consequences of institutions than about what is or is not just–that economics is a much better developed science than moral philosophy. (MoF)

I think that the Renaissance was onto something big - I think that the methodology of moral science has to center around an obsession with man himself, and its communication must be immersive (humanities, culture itself). I am of the opinion that a healthy love even of the human form, for example, must characterize true moral science.

Physical science is characterized by a love of the physical world, love of the Earth and all life within it. This is fine as far as it goes but I believe its dominance has given us a religion of the Earth (environmentalism) that has become twisted around into misanthropy. I believe there is a causal connection.

Without a deep-rooted love of humanity, would-be moral scientists are not equipped with the necessary character and virtues required to actually do it. It’s like being a scientist who is more interested in science-fiction worlds than the real world… not a very motivating basis for investigation of the natural world with integrity and a commitment to honesty and truth. Just like Dennett sees himself as a slayer of bad reasoning, dishonesty and factual errors motivated by his love of physical science, so the moral scientist has to be someone who is a slayer of misanthropy, motivated by his love of man.

It was the other way around for me. What is astounding to me is how absolutely ancient these ideas are and yet how little they have managed to spread despite their manifest truth. This is part of why I’m interested in the memetics thing and Dennett’s ideas on it because I think there must have been an “unconscious selection” within the meme population that has been going on for a very long time against the ideas of Epicurus and related ideas. Maybe all that is needed is a little bit of “memetic engineering” to package the ideas of Epicurus, Mises, et. al. into a form that is more vigorously self-propagating and resistant to being supplanted by other memes.

I’m an engineer for one of the largest tech corporations in the world. One of the things I learned very quickly is that it’s not enough to be right. If you’re right and you want to change people’s minds, you have to think about who is going to try to stop you from changing their minds, how they’re going to try to stop you, why they’re going to try to stop you and what you have to do to get around their impedance. Unfortunately, it is really easy to fall into an end-justifies-the-means mentality once you start thinking this way. This goes back to the character issue. We need people with the character to both think about how to defeat bad ideas and at the same time not fall into the abyss of postmodern “lie, cheat, steal, whatever-it-takes to make your point and destroy the point of your opponents”.

</interminable rambling>

Clayton -

In the world of ideas it doesn’t even seem necessary to be right. It seems like it’s more important to sell the idea well; to connect with the audience.

The real challenge for the Church of Mises is finding a way to take a set of ideas that might sound truly awful to some people and yet find a way to make them relatable. To focus on aesthetics as well as fundamentals.

On its face libertarianism can sound incredibly harsh and indifferent. That’s why I like Walter Block. He’s very rabbinical and his charm takes the edge off the ideas for me. The opposite is true of Tom Woods for me. I like his sense of humor but I hate his stupid fat face so I can’t watch a video of the guy.

Dennett basically looks like Santa and he’s easygoing and actually quite funny so I am able to watch these videos without too much trouble.