Thoughts on Hans-Hermann Hoppe’s "Democracy: The God That Failed"

Thoughts on Hans-Hermann Hoppe’s Democracy: The God That Failed

This essay takes the thumbnail sketch written by Hoppe, found here at Lew Rockwell’s website, as it’s authoritative summation of Hoppe’s ideas.

Hoppe asserts that while both monarchy and democracy are deficient political monopolies, monarchy is superior to democracy. He lays out 5 points:

1.0 As the “owner” of a State (defined as “an agency that exercises a compulsory territorial monopoly of ultimate decison-making (jurisdiction) and of taxation
the monarch”) the monarch will take better care of it than the democratically elected official who is merely a caretaker.

2.0 The democratically elected official will be necessarily short sighted because his term is limited.

2.1 This myopia also plays out in the greater society where “infantilization” or the live for today ideal becomes dominant.

3.0 Because of the necessity of election, it is the morally “uninhibited” individual who wins out, virtually eliminating the decent person from rising to the top. The monarch need not engage in such demagoguery and political machinations.

4.0 Democracy is a tool for expropriation. In a monarchy the expropriations have all long since been settled into a standing order.

5.0 For the Monarch, war is a tool for further expropriation. In a democracy war is a tool for ideological conversion.

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These are all convincing points which I must agree with. Perhaps with a few exception: Concerning the fifth point, ideology as the goal of democratic war. Ideology is the tool that the demagogue uses to impassion the people to war. The real motivations are always something else. Any existential threats, are in reality, threats against the standing order of the monarchy, or the leader du jour of democracy. Seldom, if not never, are the mass of people threatened by a regime change.

As a side, I recall reading the history of Mesopatamia where one dynasty after another comes through and establishes their rule. Yet for the people (people not directly attached with the previous dynasty, nor ideologically or nationalistically dogmatic) it did not matter. Life went on pretty much as normal. In fact it was the invading groups who eventually were altered by the customs of the indigenous people. Bring sharia. I’ll buy knee pads to pray 5 times a day and I’ll beat my wife. After a while our invaders will be exploring Western liberal ideals.

Concerning the first point on ownership: The people, not the leaders, of a democracy have a greater sense of ownership than do the people of a kingdom. In a sense the people “buy into” the democratic State. Proof of this assertion can be found in Hoppe’s fourth point on democratic expropriation: Democracies lend a sense of entitlement.

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I generally give assent to Hoppe’s assertions and further assert that all 5 of these points are also applicable to capitalism generally and the corporate structure specifically.

1.0 The CEO and management structure of corporation are not the owners, only the caretakers. It is true that most CEO’s are invested in their companies yet at any moment they could be fully divested, stocks sold in the matter of minutes, and off to be caretaker of some other corporation. The corporation can do a massive crash and burn while the CEO floats away on his golden parachute in the same manner the democratic politician can walk away from the carnage of his duty at the helm.

The corporation, like a democracy, posits itself as being owned by the people (stockholders) yet is really a schema in order to centralize wealth/power into the hands of a few.

The banker and investment broker are also caretakers of other people’s money (yet keep the usury for themselves).

2.0 The CEO’s term is even more limited than the politician‘s. The CEO’s survival is often a quarter by quarter affair, and sometimes even monthly. Seldom, if ever, is there any foresight beyond the requisite 5-year-plan.

The capitalist investor is also myopic. All financial calculations have an amortization period, that is to say, a time limit beyond which profits become meaningless. No capitalist plants an oak tree.

2.1 There are many writers/thinkers/philosophers who have analyzed the “infantilization” of industrialized consumer society. Capitalism has led us to a society where conservation, or the long term preservation of property, is anathema to economic health.

3.0 The lack of moral inhibitions in those who rise to the top is no different in business than in politics. To argue otherwise would, I think, question the basic premises of Mises’ praxeology.

4.0 Seen abstractly capitalism is the embodiment of expropriation. The distinction comes down to the voluntary nature of the free-market vs. the violent nature of the democratic State. It is blind to think that monarchies existed without expropriation nor without violent expropriation.

5.0 For the Monarch, war is end-oriented, lands acquired and resources seized. Conquest yields new possessions. For capitalist nations, If there is an end-orientation to war, it is to make the world safe for commerce. An existential threat to a nation’s trade network becomes idealized as an existential threat to the nation. For industrialized capitalist nations, the US specifically, war is means-oriented. Wars can be won or lost, enemies destroyed and rebuilt, and every step of this process has served the interests of manufacturers and suppliers.

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Have you ever worked for a corporation? Even if you haven’t, do you honestly believe that the merger’s and acquisitions are short sighted endeavors?

3 corporations, I averaged about 8-10 years in each, two had 2 CEOs during my tenure, one had 4 CEOs. As engineering dept manager I witnesses inumerable decisions made that were long-term stupid, yet short term (end of month/quarter) smart. One Corporation was into military optics. There were several products, which while good money makers, had environmental testing specs that required 3 months in a test chamber before it could be shipped. We eventually lost those jobs because they NEVER made it into the end-of-quarter-financial-statement priority list. It was that financial statement that determined the job security of the CEO, and by threat, the jobs of various managers under him.

Acquisitions and mergers? I’m confused. Do not acquisitions and mergers display the ephemeral nature of corporations as unique entities. It displays liquidity and not long term stability.

Right, but you were criticizing long sightedness, not long term stability. I was just pointing out that shelling out a billion dollars to acquire another company is not something you do if you are only concerned about profit in the next 5 years.

While I do agree that in some cases the corporate entity can be seen in the same light as you have described. But where ceo of corporations are different is incentives and reputation. If a CEO crashes and burns a corporation that is not going to sit well on his CV. Monarchy however does not necessarily care for a CV in a similar manner. The reputation of the monarchy can easily be improved by appealing to the masses, it is not like a ceo can start handing out gifts to his prospective employers or convince the population to his favor by other means.

There are also many exceptions when it comes to CEO compared to Monarchy. Many CEO worked their way up and built up an international corporation through hard work over several decades. Take the CEO of Tesco (British walmart equivalent) Terry Leahy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Leahy#Early_life . In short he used to stack shelves and became the ceo of Tesco and spent 20 years there. Not realy comparable to the type of CEO you have described.

There is difference between a day trader and an investor and a ceo. I think you might be putting them all under the “capitalist pig” umbrella. While I agree many CEO do not care about anything but themselves and their interests. As well as some CEO are only brought in to improve profits over a short period of time. The CEO is brought in to improve X and if he does not for fill that goal by a certain date he will be let go. That is completely different than a politician who during his term can break promises and realy only has to allocate misappropriated funds.

The difference between the attraction of people who lack moral quality is that it does not matter as much because people still have a voluntary choice to do business with a morally corrupt organization, but when it comes to politicians they have an illusion of choice. I do not agree with your 3.0 point. I would say that in non fraudulent business it does not matter so much what your moral character is, what matters is that you get the job done, within reason of course. But within fraudulent based business, it is of course important, like it is within government, that you employ the individuals that have the highest lack of moral inhibitions but are able to display a certain charisma as to hide it sufficiently.

Capitalism is not expropriation, it is voluntary. I think you misunderstand point 4.

Bringing the CEO in is an interesting move, but I cannot agree that the same incentives presented to a PM also apply to the CEO. This position can only be held if one falls into that old trap of considering voting as some sort of market activity: it surely ain’t so!

The way that the electorate steers a PM is through voting, the way that owners steer a CEO is through selling stock. The difference is crucial: voting is an all or nothing affair, selling stock is not.

As voting is an all-or-nothing affair, several effects too well-known to detail emerge: it pays no one to inform himself and vote rationally, it pays the PM to interest himself only in the median voter, it pays large minorities to coalesce into robbing larger majorities, it pays no one to have a long time-horizon, and so on.

On the other hand, not a single one of these issues emerges with selling stock as a control technique. I reap the whole benefit (and pay the whole cost) of a right (or wrong) decision. I need not care of what the ‘median’ stockholder thinks, and no intra-group robbing is ever lasting. All in all, stockholders operate in a market, while voters operate in a democracy. The analogy you try to make is fully void of foundation and is based on a quite shallow, it seems to me, understanding of both voting and the market. And let’s not even get started with capitalism allegedly promoting short-sightedness. Ridiculous!

Now, if one wishes to make comparisons between a democratic state and a corporation one can, but only for a corporation controlled only through voting (as it would be if selling stock would be forbidden), and no such corporation exists.

Otherwise, one can find issue with the size of most corporations which greatly decreases their internal rationality and gives rise to beurocracies (a point in common with states) , but this has nothing to do with the entity being a corporation, and everything to do with the entity being large in itself.

So, all and all, I think you are working towards a dead-end here.

@ mikachusetts,

No one makes plans for a far sighted future that is not stable. *"*shelling out a billion dollars" is a non sequiter because point 1 establishes the stewardship-ness of the CEO and Corporations in general, i.e. the billion dollars are other people’s money.

@ Jack Roberts,

I don’t believe the CEO escaps subjective valuation. The CEO is subject to polular opinion, with the population being the stock buying population. Say some corporation signs a rock-star CEO like your Terry Leahy, and the Corporation’s stock valuation immediately skyrockets. It’s all reputation. Even in the midst of failure blame can be subjectively manipulated.

Environmental stewardship is the clearest arena of moral inhiubitions. Without government regulatory inhibitions big manufacturing corporations do not act on it’s own except for a propaganda in public relations.

I clearly stated the voluntary nature of point 4.

BTW you wrongly assign me capitalism antipathy.

@ Merlin,

I had problems digesting your critique until I realized that you have gone entirely outside the 5 point framework that Hoppe laid down. The CEO and PM are both morally uninhibited (#3) temporary (#2) stewards (#1) of other people’s money. Points 4 (expropriation) and 5 (war) are systemic attributes.

And let’s not even get started with capitalism allegedly promoting short-sightedness. Ridiculous!

There is one thing I’m sure of: Dismissal is NOT refutation and does not deserve a counter-argument. Refute the idea and I will do my best to champion it with a counter-argument.

You are completely right on this point. Brushing a point aside is not the same as arguing it, and I do not normally do so. But I am so convinced that that claim is baseless that I have no interest in debating it. More than trying to critique that assertion, I was rather expressing my strong disbelief as well as lack of interest in arguing that point. Anyway, it’s truly not a proper thing to do.

Here too you are right, but in a diminutive sense. you took Hoppe’s analysis and applied it to a CEE and you got e perfect match. You may be excused to draw the conclusions you do.

But Hoppe forgot a crucial point in his analysis, and you by proxy, are doing the same. He treated a PM as being in charge of inanimate stuff. He often uses the “owner vs. renter” concept to illustrate his point, and the example itself is instructive. A PM truly has every incentive to use up all the value of the resource he controls in the time allotted to him, and the CEO does too. But neither of them can do what they want!

A PM can move only in a relatively constrained circle allowed by public opinion. If he, following his incentive to run the country aground, undertakes some policy which will not be tolerated by public opinion, he will either face an internal party rebellion, emergency election, assassination, riots and, in extremis, revolution. So, Hoppe would have been right to say that, within his area of freedom, a PM may act to suit his incentives. Otherwise how to explain that 150 years of mass democracy have produced a gradual erosion of liberty instead of a total crumbling of society right away?

The CEO is in the same position: he can act to suit his short-term interest, but his area of movement is infinitely more constrained, by the value of the company in the stock exchange. Ideally, a CEO can do nothing at all unless his every action raises the value of the company. In practice he too has a degree of freedom, but he is vastly more constrained than any PM can ever be.

As to the nature of these constrains, I can continue my analysis in the previous post: the constrains a PM faces tend to be far less efficient than those a CEO faces. So, the CEO is kept from doing the wrong thing, and the PM is merely delayed.

But you did well to bring what I see as the major defect of Hoppe’s analysis to the light: it will not do to assume than, just as a cattle rancher, a PM can do whatever best suits him personally in managing a country. The very same, of course, applies to the monarch.

We agree that dismissal is weak. You may hold that the claim is baseless while I find it is innate in the system. As I lamented to mikachusetts above, investors will not tolerate a loss for very long, in my particular experiences it was three months … and I think you even amplified this idea of limited loss as a constraint on the CEO. But despite what Anenome says, even if one cites reality we needn’t talk.

We also agree on the problems of big in both government and corporations.

OK so we have the attribute of constraint and what difference it has applied to CEO and PM. First I would ask to make the distinction between constraint and consequence. A CEO who posts losses faces termination, yet that doesn’t constrain his actions. Generally speaking the CEO is given full authority of the very specific human and capital resources centralized under him. He may do as he wishes and takes the consequences, be they good or bad. The PM of a Western constitutional government must at least feign to be restrained by the Rule of Law. He is also restrained by the need to satisfy coalitions and many special interests. Both the CEO and PM balance temporality against personal desires. Act too much in self interest and you are gone too soon. This is seen in a “lame duck” president who risks little in acting impetuously.

For both the PM and CEO who risk loss of their position of authority, they are comforted by the human nature towards inaction. We don’t quickly revolt against the standing order, be it an economic or political standing order. *"*all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed." US Declaration of Independence

Well, even by factoring in the difference between a PM’s constraint and a the consequence of a CEO’s action, we yet end up in the same spot: both would prefer to waste the capital placed at their disposal, but both are constrained in what they can do. The PM by rules, the CEO by monetary considerations. In a sense, the CEO is given the choice between a momentary high income and a steady stream of income in the future. He chooses the latter.

The PM is given no incentive to behave, and is indeed positively encouraged top follow stupid policies by the mechanics of voting, and yet he is forbidden from doing certain other things which would destroy society in a matter of years, not decades.

All In all, I still do not see any parallel in practice: democracy fails, the company thrives.

Neither is necessery, what we need is constitutionalism with a good ngo structure that supports it, although somehow we may need local democracies to decide roads and improving laws via referendum as well…

don’t by this monarch bullshit, in democracy you have at least the chance of picking the best of the worst between some dirty politicians, how will you change the ass hole king…

don’t forget democracy was the need of people who lived under kingdoms and empires, if that was really good people wouldn’t be asking dems to go.

obvious that we need something better, but sure thing it’s not monarch.

@ Merlin,

From my little interchange with Mikachusetts I would reword this: The CEO is given no incentive to be long-sighted, and is indeed positively encouraged to follow stupid (short term) policies by the mechanics of survival.

“All In all, I still do not see any parallel in practice: democracy fails, the company thrives.”

I don’t get this. I look out and see the massive expansion of statist power. It is the democratic welfare states that are thriving. In that thumbnail sketch by Hoppe he begins with a rant about how the rise of the state, which corresponded with the vast increase of wealth, is NOT a causation, i.e. that the State creates wealth. If you see the expansion of corporate capitalism as the cause of wealth you may also be under the influence of a similar false causation.

If we must remain within the realm of the state, I’d advocate ruthless decentralization as the only relal improvement achievable. No political system can produce a passably free society if a large state.

@ Chaghlar,

In the very opening I made clear that "Hoppe asserts that while both monarchy and democracy are deficient political monopolies, monarchy is superior to democracy."

I suppose that by comparing corporations to democracies (Hoppe’s worst of the worst) I am implying that corporations are also deficient economic monopolies.

@Merlin,

“If we must remain within the realm of the state, I’d advocate ruthless decentralization as the only relal improvement achievable. No political system can produce a passably free society if a large state.”

I give you my absolute approbation of this idea. But where we might diverge is that I believe that both the State and Corporation serve the purpose of the centralization of wealth/power. They gather together wealth/power from a widely dispersed low density to a highly centralized high density which can be effectively utilized by a small group to clandestinely use for their own purposes as if it were their own. I.E. Hoppe’s corrupt steward.

I give you my absolute approbation of this idea. But where we might diverge is that I believe that both the State and Corporation serve the purpose of the centralization of wealth/power. They gather together wealth/power from a widely dispersed low density to a highly centralized high density which can be effectively utilized by a small group to clandestinely use for their own purposes as if it were their own. I.E. Hoppe’s corrupt steward.

To a point I agree, but you find the wrong enemy when you accuse the corporation. The corporation, understood as a business model where ownership, fluid is dispersed and separate from management, is indeed a very evolved and rational structure. The CEO faces none of the practical problems that doom the PM to failure (from our point of view, not his).

What I think you might be justified is in being suspicious of big companies, regardless of their ownership model. I agree that such big businesses are nothing but a scale model of the state, replete with buaurocracies and inefficiencies. But the corporation, in itself, need not be a huge monolithic entity, hence you could leave it out of the picture and focus on size itself.

@Z,

Hoppe concludes that Natural Order > Monarchy > Democracy. Do you disagree with him?