To My Fellow Libertarians,On Improvements Needed in the Movement.

Recently thinking of a lot of topics and reading discussions between left libertarians and non left libertarians ,I have come to see a range of areas where libertarianism needs to improve.These are not so much flaws,more bad habits.

Alliances: Without suggesting that we betray principles(which was never my intent) I think we should be more open to alliances and collaborations with other groups on an issue by issue basis.In the past Rothbard aligned with the left on war and peace and today I think we should seek to do the same.There is also other issues which they may be open to on which we can discuss.To clarify ,in seeking alliances we should neither be universally and unconditionally supportive nor universally and unconditionally opposed.I think this would do the reputation of the philosophy a world of good and endear us to the public at large by gaining us credibility and debunking myths about us being crusty old reactionary social darwinist Ayn Rand types.

Considering specifically Anarcho-Libertarianism ,this is a brilliant possibility which hasn’t really been tried before.We could seek an alliance with other anarchists(especially ’ Anarchists without Adjectives’ )who are willing to accept the illegitimacy of aggression against property and people(and willing to live in accordance with that principle) ,who reject violent methods of achieving anarchy and who are willing to work with us and come a free society, would allow co-existence.This too would help aid our mainstream public image.Yet again,I am not suggesting we give us or compromise our principles ,merely that we recognise that at minimal all true anarchists are united on the issue of abolishing the state and that really that’s all that’s necessary for us to agree on.Who knows we might just learn something new.

Capitalism: Related issues to the term have been thrown about,hased and re-hashed recently and so I don’t wish to cover old ground but I will say this,We must get out of the habit of talking of the economy today and in history as though it has been laissez faire,capitalist or libertarian.If you truly understand economics and history you know there has been no ‘golden ages of liberty’,there has been no time(excepting anarchist countries) when the state was not present and intervening.There has been no time when we haven’t had either state Socialism of a kind or Fascistic Corporatism(and mercantilism) of a kind.So it is a grave error for us to talk of the glories of Capitalism in raising the average person’s living standards.Instead we should talk of the market- the market’s ability to flourish to a limited degree even in spite of government regulation as well as these benefits coming from a time when government intervention was somewhat lesser than today(though by no means laissez faire,in Britain or the USA) Worse still ,talking of Capitalism as though it exists or existed, hands our opponents a spear on which to stab us with.We are giving them the weapons to use to say “look here is Capitalism! and look what it does”.

**Corporatism:**We have gotten into this terrible tendency to knee jerkedly defend big business any time it is criticized.Granted this sometime may be necessary given critiques made but we should not give blanket support to all big business(what Kevin Carson refers to as ‘Vulgar Libertarianism’).We must be aware of the omnipresence of the state and thus the temptation and inclination towards corporatism.This means we should be knowledgable( more so than the level now) of
how corporations benefit from the state and should not just dismiss any pejorative talk of them out of hand.For example ,while many critiques of Wal-mart are not valid inso far as they attack genuine constiutients of the market economy or when tax breaks are derided as subsidy (a common leftist error) we should also acknowledge that Wal-mart is involved in eminent domain,lobbying for laws which hurt smaller businesses and is also in part tax payer funded in respect to it’s infrastructure.On a lesser point, while we do good work on Corporatism and the Military-Industrial complex now, more needs to be done to push how important this issue is and how prevalent a problem it is.We must always make it clear that while we may be pro-big business in a specific case we are neither unconditionally in favour of them nor unconditionally against them(seeing them as inherently unjust).We must make a clear distinction between the Free market and the current Corporatism.It is vital if we are to succeed.

**Environmentalism:**Plenty good work has been written attacking statist environmentalism.This is all to the good.However these critiques can at times go too far in denouncing all environmentalism as statist or socialist and thus isolating us from people libertarian or not ,who may be environmentalist and can benefit from learning about our ideas on it. Walter Block and Terry L. Anderson among others have written plenty which would allow us to sketch out a full theory of environmentalism and environmental economics.I cannot emphasis how much we must resist knee jerk attacks of these ideas.Whether or not you believe in AGW this cannot cloud your mind to the fact that because we live on this planet our acts on the environment affect other people.We must come to see that though typically Environmentalism is Eco-centric,misanthropic and anti-market ,that it need not be so.It is easy to conceive of an Anthropocentric pro market anti-state Environmentalist philosophy.Furthermore on this topic we should also steer clear of knee jerk shootdowns of ‘global warming’.While it may or may not be happening(which is a seperate issue) we shouldn’t think that if it is,libertarianism is doomed and we must all become primitivists.We can be pro-free market and have solutions based on that should it be occurring.

Government and the Poor: We’re sound on the harmful effects of statism ,imperialism and a lot more but what we don’t cover enough is how the state harms the poor.It’s little mentioned and it should be mentioned ,if we wish to show we are not (as some non-libertarians belief wrongly) cold hearted or “anarchists for the rich”.We need to show two sides to the coin which is how it occurs in reality,that the state both privileges and at the same time harms the poor.

Socialism: We should follow Walter Block’s lead in admiting that Socialism need not by definition be statist and that a voluntary Socialism (or collectivism if you prefer) is possible and not inherently un-libertarian.Those Socialists who are anarchist and willing to accept our stance on non aggression should be ,for anti-statist purposes, our allies.

Agreed on pretty much every point. But I think libertarians have tried and tried to point out that corporatism is the culprit, but Leftists just don’t believe us.

They reject private property and everything they advocate leads in someway or another to slavery. So no, they’re certainly not allies.

Yeah but leftists and their anti establishment stance by default makes them potential capitalists. I mean, there’s plenty of people here who come from the left, we should be reaching out.

As long as that rejection is in terms of rejecting it morally and not in the sense of suppressing it with force then they are allies.It’s not true everything they argue for leads to slavery especially not leftist anarchists.

From personal experience most socialist-‘anarchists’ are such primarily because of their anti-capitalism, and they hate the state as a corollary of hating their concept of capitalism

Well even though they might be hard to find, I think there is an anti-state voluntaryist left. Also I’m not saying we should compromise or need to agree on all issues by in relation to state socialists and others- on issue by issue basis e.g. antiwar- and in relation to left anarchists on a minimal level in opposing the state.By opening dialogue both can dispel myths.

We could seek an alliance with other anarchists(especially ’ Anarchists without Adjectives’ )who are willing to accept the illegitimacy of aggression against property and people(and willing to live in accordance with that principle) ,who reject violent methods of achieving anarchy and who are willing to work with us and come a free society, would allow co-existence.**This too would help aid our mainstream public image.-**scott f (emphasis added)

To the contrary, your pacifist stance would destroy your image as a viable and reliable ideological alternative.

by rejecting the utility of coercion to gain and hold power you have essentially rendered your ideology as unattainable, unprofitable, and unsustainable.

The statist only needs to walk through your open door to plunder your property, deprive you of freedom, and take your life.

This is one of the causal factors that have made anarchism irrelevent and fringe.

How is anarchism only pacifist? Pacifism is compatible with NAP but it is not NAP. Also it is not like anyone under anarchism won’t try to take and hold power by means of coercion. Anarchy is anything that people make of it.

boniek,

How is anarchism only pacifist? Pacifism is compatible with NAP but it is not NAP. Also it is not like anyone under anarchism won’t try to take and hold power by means of coercion. Anarchy is anything that people make of it.-- boniek

I agree with you, however scott f doesnt – he is a pacifist as are many on this site.

Anarchists without Adjectives’ )who are willing to accept the illegitimacy of aggression against property and people(and willing to live in accordance with that principle) ,who reject violent methods of achieving anarchy and who are willing to work with us and come a free society, would allow co-existence.–scottf

A while ago I talked to an anarchosyndicalist friend of mine about the idea of voluntaryism , and unity among anarchists. I told him as long as it’s voluntary, all anarchists would be free to use whatever system they like, and how we have more in common with each other then statists. He liked the idea of voluntaryism, and we concurred that there should be unity.

My friend can’t be the only one. We just need to talk about it.

Scott, I agree with all your points, especially the one about alliances. It is usually the problem of non-mainstream movements to be divided about pretty much everything. First and foremost current point of anarcho-capitalists is to abolish the state and they are not alone with that idea, because there are so many other anarchist movements. Not allying would be plain stupid.

Wow, pacificism != non-aggression principle necessarily. The NAP, which most people here support in some form, involves the ability to aggress upon another if one is being aggressed against. They are against the initiation of force, not force itself.

Wow, pacificism != non-aggression principle necessarily. The NAP, which most people here support in some form, involves the ability to aggress upon another if one is being aggressed against. They are against the initiation of force, not force itself.-- eric080

A society that rejects violent force unless attacked first will fail.

moreover, a society that places pacifism or non-aggression above economic growth will fail in competition with societies that recognize the utility of coercion to force positive change and redirect heretofore inefficiently managed resources to more productive economic ends.

rettoper, stay on the topic in the OP please. You have already created numerous threads covering your stance.

Well the basic disagreement between libertarians and other groups is that coercion seems to inhibit utility. So…

liberty student,

I am pointing out flaws in ancap dogma that undermine its appeal to the masses – namely its rejection of coercion to achieve ends and its vulnerability to the emergence of absolutism.

I reject any strategy that relies on people who do not believe in liberty. I am for any strategy that involves direct citizen action from people who believe in liberty.

+1 for alliances. Although I loathe Sarah Palin And Glenn Beck, I’m all about electing the Tea Party candidates they support. The same goes for the pro-“legalize it” lefties. Why? They offer the oportunity to affect my liberty right here, right now. Ideological purity is for cranks and zealots. Fry the biggest fish first, that’s what I say.

That isn’t what this thread is about. Stay on topic please.