I am not usually imperturbable. I find it is a poor strategy when dealing with dishonest opponents.
I just meant that ad hominems don’t convince your opponents of anything.
Abusive ad hominem (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one’s opponent in order to attack his claim or invalidate his argument, but can also involve pointing out factual but apparent character flaws or actions that are irrelevant to the opponent’s argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and negative facts about the opponent’s personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent’s arguments or assertions.
Actually its only fallacious if I claim you’re wrong because you’re a retard. But you’re wrong whether or not you’re actually retarded. I just added in there just so you know that I know you’re retarded. I used these things called studies to debunk your actual claims.
Still waiting on you to substantiate your claim that 19% of the US population have cleft deformities.
No, but they are the highlight of my morning.
More than 19% of Americans require braces to make their teeth fit into their mouth. I would define that as a deformity to the bone structure of the jaw. I do not need to provide any study to demonstrate that because you can see this by visiting any school or simply by walking down the street and observing how many children have braces now.
LOL. Good job shifting the goalposts. Could you just give a damn number for how many people have “cleft deformities”? Note that braces are used to treat overbite. Except overbite is not considered abnormal. In fact, lack of an overbite is abnormal. Here’s the source. You will notice it is not from www.crazyfatchickwhohatesvegans.com.
Wheylous wrote the following post at Tue, Sep 13 2011 1:36 AM:
Our research has shown that even when people exercise regularly, watching large amounts of television is independently associated with an increased risk of premature death.
The problem is, that individuals eating toxic foods will consume more of the bad stuff when they excercise. Excercise therefore only does its job when a person is eating a good healthy diet. How many people do you know who use going down the gym as excuse for eating junk?!
Here’s a study showing that people who exercised lost more weight than people who didn’t exercise but ate a “healthy” calorie restricted diet.
I guess exercise does work even if you don’t eat healthy.
Durrrrrrrrrp. Durrrrp. Sorry its not from www.whitesuburbia4life.com
Phil… headdesk Please don’t go down this pseudo-science rabbit hole. I’ve already seen it curb stomped on other sites. Just step back and accept that getting fat is the result of EATING TOO MUCH and not moving around enough.
He said that he’s put a lot of time and money into the videos he’s linking. This implies that he works for the WOAP foundation. He’s being paid to troll internet forums.
ladyattis wrote the following post at Tue, Sep 13 2011 4:25 PM:
Phil… headdesk Please don’t go down this pseudo-science rabbit hole of race realism. I’ve already seen it curb stomped on YT by several people with cited sources, counterarguments, and refutations. Please take a step back and breathe. K?
What I have to say has nothing to do with race. Dr Price stressed, contrary to common belief in the 1930’s, that proper genetic expression was a function of nutrition, not race. The only reason Price looked at specific races was because they were examples of isolated people eating their traditional foods. He studied whites in Europe, Indians in America and Canada, Blacks in Africa, and on, and on. Each time, he found that people showed optimum health when they ate their traditional foods, and that the same genetic pool would have the modern diseases of civilization if they adopted the refined, processed foods of the West, and dropped the nutrient dense foods of “primitive” society.
Here is a 1min video of Dr Price showing that he came as a missionary from the primitive people to teach the West their wisdom:
And you will see if you read his book that he talks about nutrition, not race:
ladyattis replied on Tue, Sep 13 2011 4:25 PM
Phil… headdesk Please don’t go down this pseudo-science rabbit hole. I’ve already seen it curb stomped on other sites. Just step back and accept that getting fat is the result of EATING TOO MUCH and not moving around enough.
Then why do a vast majority of diets fail. It is because the calories in, calories put on equasion does not work. That is a mis-application of the laws of thermodynamics because the human body is not a closed system.
The government tell us to replace sugar with starchy vegetables, yet starch provides more calories per pound than sugar, and both break down into glucose. They also tell us to not eat fat, yet not all fat is used for energy, whilst all glucose is either burned as energy or stored as fat.
A vast amount of fat and protein, is used for making cells and carrying out other functions in the body. This is why you put on weight with carbs, but loose it with a high fat/protein diet, because all carbs are used for energy or stored as fat, whilst only some of the fat and protein you eat is used for energy, and excess protein is excreted in the form of urea. This is why a low carb, high fat diet actually works for those wanting to loose weight, and is why those on such a diet need not count their calories.
- Please watch this video where Zoe Harcombe explains this fully: http://vimeo.com/26994290
People don’t actually follow their diets. See thats a study. And it shows that obese people, on average, underreported their calorie intake by almost 50%. Gee I wonder if eating 50% more calories than you’re supposed to could cause a diet to fail.
HMMMMMMM…
Actually, the whole point of the Ebal equation is to model an OPEN system. And hint - the laws of thermodynamics apply to… oh. I don’t know. The Universe? You don’t have to have an open/closed system for thermodynamics to be valid.
But yeah I am really interested to see what kind of carb fairies you think come in the middle of the night and force you to get fat cus you ate some bread.
That’s probably why they’re telling you to replace sugar with starchy vegetables, not pure starch. I mean, its one thing to say stupid crap thats totally unsubstiated by any sort of controlled studies. Its another thing to make yourself look stupid without even being factually incorrect.
Actually they tell people to eat less fat. How much fat do americans eat and why is this the optimal amount of fat? Lol.
Right some of the fat gets deposited in adipose tissue. Actually, the vast majority of it. Its just a question of how much fat you burn when you’re not eating. There’s no magic here.
Kind of like fat. But actually the conversion of carbs to fat is called “De Novo Lipogenesis” and only ocurrs to significant degree during chronic carb overfeeding.
But that’s cute that you FAILED TO MENTION THAT DIETARY FAT IS STORED AS BODY FAT.
Source? What kind of numbers are we talking about. You are hiding behind vague vocabulary like “vast”. But here’s a hint - does your body just poop out “used” fat from fat cells? What is the degredation process? This will be funny. Oh wait no it won’t because you won’t get back to me because you’re an ideologue.
Oh but you’re neglecting fat. What does fat do? Hmm? Do you poop out fat? Fyi you don’t even excrete large amounts of protein. It is prima facie implausible that an organism evolving over millions of years of alternating periods of starvation would waste any appreciable amount of energy or nutrients.
I challenge you to find a study where people are losing bodyfat on a 5000 calorie atkins diet. Oh wait, you won’t. Not only because you won’t try, but because you can’t. Doubtless you think that magic fat-gremlins come and steal all the fat away, so that no matter how much fat you eat, for some reason it just disappears.
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What is a serving? That drove me nuts. is a serving of Apple = serving of orange? Same with chicken vs cow vs pork.
Marks Daily apple website is a food plan I can get behind
No, it’s facetious. Why the hell would anyone think that human beings should primarily eat grains? Or did I miss the part where we descended from the great Grain-Eating Apes of Zanzabar?
Cattle do, in fact, eat grain.
And grain is just the dried seed of grasses.
Clayton -
Sorry for slight off-topic, but in nature, what do cows do in the winter? Do they just hang out on plains?
Even more off-topic and more of a rant: those spots on cows… is that fur or is their coloration simply their skin? Because when I think of a cow I think of how it looks, but never of how it would feel to touch it…
Actually, in nature cows consume small amounts of grain in the fall, which helps to fatten them up for the winter. However, the primarily consume grass and other similar green matter.
And here is the key. They turn cellulose into the saturated fat that you find in cream. These are the fats with the omega 3 & 6 balance that suit humans perfectly, and it is within these fats that you get the key fat soluble vitamins that Dr Price identified, being A, D & K2. However, a cow only eating grains will have too much omega 6 and hardly any of the fat soluble vitamins, because they lack the cellulose that the cow requires. This is the key reason why cows in a feedlot in confined agriculture is not as good for you. Left to graze freely, in nature, they choose primarily green grass and other similar herbage.
Traditionally, cows were fed root vegetables, hay and silage (fermented green grass) during winter, with some grains to supplement. A Confined Agriculture Feedlot Operation in the States, feeds them nothing but grains all year round, this is unprecedented in agricultural history. Here in Britain we are blessed with pastures that work all year round, but in the States, cows must be bought into the barn for much of the year. However, you could choose traditional breeds like bison which would be far more hardy than the modern Holstein, allowing the cows to be outside for more of the year.
Or you could just. Oh. I don’t know. Take fish oil caps so you can get the clinically validated dose of omega 3’s instead of just shoving both thumbs up your ass and getting the “natural” amount from “natural” beef.
Actually, I take Green Pasture’s fermented cod liver oil. It is a far better source of nutrients than fish oil. I take a teaspoon per day along with some high vitamin butter oil. Dr Price’s book shows studies of when he used that to treat rickets, etc. These supplements have been forumated to match the nutrient density of dairy and cod liver oil found in primitive tribes.
That provides the essential fatty acids I require, but does not by-pass my need to have a balance between omega 3 and 6 in the rest of my diet, which I achieve my eating pastured, ideally organic eggs, meat and raw dairy.
This is the kind of diet that has satisfied people for millenia. The question is why, and understanding that could allow us to better what our ancestors achieved, but we would be silly to ignore their collective wisdom and simply do what the government tells us to do, by adopting a low fat diet and shunning the foods our grandparents ate.