Government responsible for Obesity ?

In terms of its cost, obesity is perhaps the largest medical problem in America. Finklestein et al. estimate that medical expenditures for treatment of patients who are either overweight or obese accounted for almost 10 percent of all medical expenditures in 1998, at a cost of 92 billion dollars (in 2002 inflation-adjusted dollars).[12] They also estimate that almost half of all Americans are either overweight or obese, with the numbers in each category growing by 70 percent and 12 percent, respectively, during the decade prior to 2003. Sturm estimates that obese adults incur annual medical expenditures that are 36 percent higher than those of normal weight incur.[13]

One might conclude from these statistics that obesity in America is a clear example of a failure of the free market — that undirected consumers, without the protection of a benevolent government agency, have taken to consuming increasingly high-calorie and unhealthy foods, leading to America’s obesity epidemic. However, this specious (yet popular) narrative is contrary to the facts and disregards the crucial role government policy has played in encouraging the production of unhealthy foods supplied to American consumers.

“It is precisely the sort of clinics operated by Walmart that allow consumers — and especially the poorest in society — access to basic, affordable healthcare.”

Recent research has uncovered the baneful influence that corn-based sweeteners have had on America’s obesity epidemic. It is estimated that Americans consume 73 pounds of corn-derived sweetener per person per year,[14] and as Michael Pollan points out, the growth of corn-based sweeteners is a direct result of the government’s farm policy, which subsidizes corn production.[15] A basic consequence of economic law is that when something is subsidized, more of it will be produced. Pollan writes,

Very simply, we subsidize high-fructose corn syrup in this country, but not carrots. While the surgeon general is raising alarms over the epidemic of obesity, the president is signing farm bills designed to keep the river of cheap corn flowing, guaranteeing that the cheapest calories in the supermarket will continue to be the unhealthiest.

Pollan also correctly notes that the calories from high-fructose corn syrup are unhealthier than those from natural sweeteners such as sugar. Research by Powell et al. concludes that “[r]ats with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained significantly more weight than those with access to table sugar, even when their overall caloric intake was the same.”[16] Avena, commenting on their study, said that “[o]ur findings lend support to the theory that the excessive consumption of high-fructose corn syrup found in many beverages may be an important factor in the obesity epidemic.”

The obesity epidemic in America has been exacerbated by the abundance and relative cheapness of high-fructose corn syrup. The growth of calories produced, and in particular the abundance of unhealthy calories, is not an outcome of the free market but rather the direct — if perhaps unintended — consequence of government farm policy. As Pollan observes,

Since 1977 an American’s average daily intake of calories has jumped by more than 10 percent…. This was, of course, the same decade that America embraced a cheap-food farm policy…. Since the Nixon administration, farmers in the United States have managed to produce 500 additional calories per person every day.[17]

Only by removing the subsidies available to corn producers, and allowing local and organic farmers to compete on an even playing field, will healthier calories become more economically attractive to consumers.

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The food pyramid is also another problem. Grains can really mess up people, yet it’s cosidered the base of the pyramid. Many people have knocked that base off their pyramids and have gotten healthier as a result.

If you can see & demonstrate how the state has dysgenic effects on the citizens within its monopoly, then yes, or at the very least acts as an artificial multiplier to the actual problem of obesity.

One possible source: The dysgenic effect of public services.

Well, in some sense I would say definitely “yes”. I won’t go into details, but meat price is too low, while vegetables cost very high. So in the end people almost have no choice, just to eat not-healthy, or (just with more calories) food, because healthier costs more money than it would be in free-market.

so where the hell u get vitamin b and carbs & bulk energy from..

so where the hell u get vitamin b and carbs & bulk energy from..

Read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes - 500 pages (+100 pages of references) of hard hitting analysis of the science of nutrition over the past 100 years (he discusses literally hundreds of different studies) . You’ll learn that you’re better off with very few carbs, despite the conventional thinking on nutrition.

I think in Japan, the goverment actually fines people for being overweight now…

Enjoy your heart disease and cancer then mate,

Vitamin B substantially found in meats and eggs… you can get bulk energy from fat by going into ketosis.

But the issue with the food pyramid is that it has you consuming way too many carbohydrates, and possibly not enough fat or protein. You got recommended to read Taubes, but he also has a youtube lecture he gave at berkley which is really good too.

The AHA basically gives you all the advice you need to have a bad heart. Eat more carbohydrates, but its okay because they’re from “good” sources. Lower glycemic index is nice but it doesn’t really solve too many problems. Although going from eating cheetos to oatmeal for breakfast will be a good change for anyone.

I can’t figure out who funds the AHA, but they do a really bad job. They sponsor studies, but cancel ones that don’t validate their low fat diet hypothesis. Its just this crap thats been around since the 50’s they keep pushing. It doesn’t work for anyone, and there are good reasons for it.

So the state makes it cost less to be stupid and cost more to not. But that doesn’t imply that they are “responsible” for it. Saying that they are, at least for this reason, is hacking at the branches, while leaving the roots undisturbed, yet again.

Enjoy your heart disease and cancer then mate,

It’s funny that even on Mises there are people who are extremely closeminded on many subjects. I believed all of the traditional nutrition advice until I read the book I recommended, and my standards of proof are pretty high. But if you chose to believe the typical nonsense you hear repeated ad-infinitum, your loss.

It’s funny that even on Mises there are people who are extremely closeminded on many subjects. I believed all of the traditional nutrition advice until I read the book I recommended, and my standards of proof are pretty high. But if you chose to believe the typical nonsense you hear repeated ad-infinitum, your loss.

Seriously. I’m sticking with Dr. Harris’ advice and not nandnor’s, who probably never read GCBC.

At most, the government does the exact right things that will help influence obesity. By forcing us to pay for gmo corn production.

Which, in turn, leads to cheap, unhealthy, gmo sweeteners companies can use. Its not just gmo corn syrup, its gmo maltodextrin, corn starch, modified corn starch, gmo corn flour, gmo Malt syrup, gmo malt, gmo Maltose, gmo Dextrin…the list goes on and on…

of course, they don’t label them gmo…even though they all derive from the same source…gmo corn subsidized in Idaho…

and of course, it leads to more problems:

cheap gmo corn feed for huge cow lots and pig lots…and chicken lots…

which in turn, leads to those animals having really high acidic systems, not to mention an array of other problems…which leads to huge amounts of bacteria…including new e-coli strands introduced to the world…

which leads to them having to inject the animals with large amounts of antibiotics…

which leads to injecting them with large amounts of growth hormones…

all of these things stems from gmo corn subsidies…

of course, you can eath other fruits and vegetables and try to avoid all products with gmo corn in them…but that is almost impossible if you eat any type of processed food…almost all processed food contains a form of gmo corn…or gmo soybean…

which has helped to lead alot of people turning to raw organic foods…which is a good thing…

Are you dismissing his argument without even looking up the book that he referred to? What closemindedness that is. (By the way, humans didn’t start eating grains until the “neolithic revolution”, which happened ago like 10,000 years, which, in terms of genetic evolution, is a pretty insignificant amount of time. So, it is likely, or, to say the least, plausible to argue, that we are less adjusted to digesting them than to doing so with the foods which existed before the happening of the neolithic revolution.)

“The food pyramid is also another problem. Grains can really mess up people, yet it’s cosidered the base of the pyramid. Many people have knocked that base off their pyramids and have gotten healthier as a result.”

At this point, its not about carbs vs fats vs sugar…

I think people have moved past that and are opening their eyes to the bigger picture…

its about eating natural unprocessed food…fruits, vegetables, fish, nuts. Actual food. Sweetener that is actual food…wild honey, unsulphured blackstrap molasses, maple syrup (to a lesser extent), cane juice or syrup…actual salt that hasn’t been stripped of its nutrients and bleached…actual grains that have not been stripped of their nutrients and bleached…

Versus processed food, which, when you look at the ingredients, isn’t really food.

There’s a reason people can eat alot of processed food and still feel hungry. Because their body is barely taking in nutrients.

I think people have realized that counting how many of your calories are from carbs vs fat or sugar is pointless if the “food” their eating is basically processed junk and not real food.

Eat real food…mainly fruits and vegetables and you’ll feel better.

Try not to eat alot of the gmo corn fed, anitbiotic, hormone beef and chicken and pork that comes from big factories (it doesn’t even come from farms anymore).

Make a point to go to a farmer’s market or a farm somewhere near you to get wild honey and fresh produce. And eat it. Its good for you.

+1 for the Paleo converts from Mises.org