Strawman, it has never been my stance nor have I stated that the military was a driving force behind all FPS. Nor have I stated that there would not be such a market in the absence of military involvement.
Reading comprehension ftw.
I have nothing to prove you wrong on, calm down.
Yup, that’s it. I bet if someone did some searching,they could find out about DoD grants and funding of the other major titles as well.
Ya, did you see how much taxpayer money was spent into this? I’d be interested to know how much it’s costs of production was in comparisson to something like HL2 with the source engine.
Go on and ignore my point then, pretend that it doesn’t destroy your comment while acting cocky about it.
It is no strawman, America’s Army is not a successful video game, if you want to prove these comments:
wrong then you need to show how a video game like Halo, or CoD has military backing. This:
Does not. That comment of yours is debunked by what you called a “strawman”.
Put your time and effort where your mouth is.
LS and FIl, I challenge you both to go out and buy MW2 and just play for a couple of weeks. As abhorrent as violence is to you both, I can almost guarantee you will have fun. It’s a great game and it’s just great fun. I think in your two weeks of playtime, you’ll find out why there’s a market for violent games and that it’s got nothing to do with the military brainwashing people.
It is as successful as any government program.
Ok lets look at your points.
Oh? I guess that means taxpayers shouldn’t be paying for unproductive business then.
Bloom made a challenge that the military was NOT involved in the development of any of these games. I provided a link that said otherwise. The point had nothing to do with the military being involved with the production of ALL games. Sorry if it was confusing.
I don’t even know what this means as I have no idea what your getting at! The military has been involved in making PC games. And your post was a strawman, as you attempted to state my argument for me, without even knowing what my argument was. I never implied that the military was the driving force behind all FPS games. I have already clarified my position once. I’ll re-quote myself for you since you can’t be bothered to read all my comments apparently.
Yea because medieval soldiers running into battles who relentlessly raped and pillaged certainly didn’t dehumanize at all. If anything I think they help because they show exactly how dangerous we can really be in a simulated arena.
FPS games generally bore me. I’ve seen them, they look boring to me. The only FPS games I’ve been able to tolerate in the past is CS Source, HL2, and Farcry. They are definitely violent. I prefer games like Eve, or EQ though.
Bloom if you bothered to read anythign I said you will see that I never disagreed with that. Both you and Lam would do yourselves a favor by reading what people actually post.
Alright, Fil, I’m sorry for misconstruing your position. Did you play Farcry 2, btw?
I think without a doubt the campaign of MW2 is pure war propaganda and a neoconservative’s wet dream. It involves a modern day presentation of the movie Red Dawn in which the Russians invade the United States and a nuclear weapon needs to be detonated over on the East Coast of the United States in order to stop the Russians. You are left overlooking the ruins of Washington DC, ready to ‘bring the fight to the enemy.’ Thankfully the game is really based on multi player. You can rip through solo campaign in 7 hours.
I don’t even own a TV. Why would I buy a video game and waste precious time that could be spent on thousands of other things besides simulating violence?
I know there is a market for violent video games. There is also a market for snuff movies and kiddie porn. I don’t need to check them out to see how much fun they are.
I haven’t. I also played Crysis, now that I remember, and that also was a fun innovative FPS. If you say farcry matches it I may try it. I have an ati 5850 with a 24" HD LCD monitor. I’m sure the game would look great.
Because then you could find out whether they’re really as horrible as you think they are. I mean I’m reading Machinery of Freedom.
Do you really see violent video games as being similar in terms of immorality to snuff films and/or kiddie porn?
Crysis is a good game.
Farcry 2…not so much.
I never played Crysis because I suck at PC games and they never ported it over to Xbox, which was lame. From what I read about Crysis, there’s no way Farcry 2 is going to be as good in terms of overall quality, but it is still a hell of a lot of fun.
Right now, I think the best FPS game is MW2. It’s just so polished and fluid. Halo ODST was also a lot of fun. Are you a pure PC gamer?
I thought Farcry 2 had so much potential. But it really wasn’t a farcry game. Where were the feral powers??
I don’t. If there were fake kiddie porn or snuff films, on the other hand, then the violent video game would be similar in terms of immorality to those, perhaps worse - the others do not require participation. Would we consider someone watching a fake snuff film or looking at fake kiddie porn to be doing something less than virtuous? I think so. Why would it be any different for the person who pretends to kill people?
I used to teach at a boarding school. Lots of kids there loved video games. It is disturbing to see young children, dressed in ties and jackets, sitting at dinner and discussing how many kills they had that day, even if you know it isn’t real. It is disturbing to walk into the rec hall and watch the delight on their faces as they press buttons, causing gore to be spilled. It is hard to think that this is not desensitizing them to suffering. It is disturbing to talk to them about the games and have them explain that the reason the characters in the game may be killed at will is that they are “the bad guys” or “the enemy” or “aliens.”
It is basically the ‘Quantum of Solace’ of the Far Cry series. A ridiculous plot line about warring Africa that completely diverted the direction of that which came before. You go from being Jack Carver trying to stop a mutagen that changes people into horror monsters to being some guy in a buggy driving around Africa picking up diamonds and trying to hunt down a single guy. It’s like going from ballroom dancing to polka. Don’t get me wrong, good graphics but you don’t buy games because they are pretty.