I’m sort of agnostic on the matter because we can’t determine what would happen. I can’t actually back anything I’d say up if I talked about corrupt corporations using local governments in different countries to get their way, because I don’t know specifics, but I know vague details that it happens. I can watch documentaries or hear it in the news, and I hear people in their native land say they want the companies out, while at the same time they are getting industry (good and/or bad I suppose). The best I (or we) can do is make assumptions unless we have hard evidence. Other than that it’s all theory.
Another look is this, “South Africa is reinvigorating its efforts to develop automotive lithium-ion batteries, with the government’s Industrial Development Corporation (IDC) now determining the commercial feasibility of battery manufacturing in the country.”
I think the people in third world countires would tend to go back to a simpler life if the affluent statists left them alone. That is just my guess.
Capitalism is a progressive force that is the enemy of stagnation. Maybe those nations would temporarily go back to some simpler lifestyle. Until the guy comes up who can profit off of technology. Then you get the bandwagon effect. And with all the innovation surrounding these third-world countries, I doubt that the spark would be far-off.
Libertarians really need to back off the whole survivalist stuff
You mean the two guys on here?
corrupt corporations using local governments
If we’re discussing a voluntary society, then you don’t have a government (at least in the same sense as currently). And if you have these evil coercive corporations, then you would again have government (just by the corporation, now).
If we’re discussing a voluntary society, then you don’t have a government (at least in the same sense as currently). And if you have these evil coercive corporations, then you would again have government (just by the corporation, now).
I thought it was obvious we were talking about, like, now, in modern times, not in a theoritical sense. Especially seeing how I linked 2 articles about warfare and diamond mining in Africa pertaining to current events.
Bingo. He wants to destroy civilization / complex orginization/ the division of labor with…capitalism? Libertarians really need to back off the whole survivalist stuff, it’s a red herring.
And, among other things, I can’t even wrap my pretty little head around the whole “doing it alone”, Subjective value theory, and buying gold.
No, civ will collapse on its own. Watch the videos. I believe in the NAP and don’t want to destroy anything.
Well, currently we know it’s not voluntary, if it was I can’t really say how prices would be, BUT we know the government can’t ever make things cheap and it always turns out more expensive somewhere down the line. Let’s say things are “cheap” because of government interference in different sectors and countries, how do we know they are actually cost effecient if there’s no one else to check them on the market? We assume the prices will go up because they aren’t subsidized or something else, but we don’t know if they are wasting money now either.
You stated the only reason you are not living your primitive existence is because you do not possess the skills to survive without “civ”. (Basically, without “civ”, you would die.) You said you need to “learn skills before you go.”
That’s not fair John. While I disagree with his AnCapPrim argument, I too want to live in the wilderness (the Alaskan one in my case) at some point in time. I’d like to live as a hermit for about 10 years in my life, crafting my epic novel.
Because he does need to “learn the skills” before he goes. Which I entirely support as a fellow Libertarian that would like to retreat into the wilderness, at some point in my life. You also said that without civilization he would die, which is a logical fallacy.
Also, while I disagree with his “Prim” argument, you should keep that separate from his wilderness desire, like I said.
Sort of, but you did not seem to leave him any chance for the former. It’s certainly a possibility he could live, even without proper preparation. Especially in those wussy lower 48.
Call me crazy, but that doesn’t sound like he’s very confident in his current ability to live outside “civ”. I didn’t even pick on the totally irony of the fact that he needs “civ” to teach him how to live without “civ”. Bert illustrated that for us. All I did was ask what the hell he’s doing here posting FSP propaganda. Please show the logical fallacy.
Thing is, he’s been here for months talking about that, and hasn’t done it. Yet, people hike the Appalachian Trail all the time. Hell, I know train hoppers more productive than this guy.
You stated the only reason you are not living your primitive existence is because you do not possess the skills to survive without “civ”. (Basically, without “civ”, you would die.) You said you need to “learn skills before you go.”
Why are you here?
Because I like discussing the economy.
Civ is recent in human history. Humans lived w/o civ for centuries. It was elites who established civ.
I can learn the skills and I would advise you to as well. Watch the videos. Civ is bound to collapse. The state and things like the FED are only bringing it on sooner.
You are not here discussing the economy. The only thing you have done here since the day you joined is post FSP propaganda and antagonize people about how great New Hampshire is and keep pestering everyone to move there. If the only reason you remain in “civ” is because you need it to survive, then go learn these “skills” and leave. Littering the forum with single post threads of crappy propaganda interviews, and useless median income data, and “100 reasons to live in New Hampshire” lists is not going to help you survive without “civ”.
Quite frankly, I don’t give a crap that New Hampshire is called “the live free or die state”. But apparently some blowhard thinks that’s a viable reason to pack up someone’s life and move there.
You are not hear discussing the economy, you are here spreading propaganda and nonsense. What does this have to do with getting you to leave?