We are talking about whether desires can be destroyed. First you said yes, then no. Care to clarify?
I say that sarcastically, paraphrasing the many Christians who believe preferences are choices that can be destroyed (notice the scare quotes). This has nothing at all to do with Christianity or religion at all… at all. Just an incredibly naïve mindset.
Not at all. And really identity in terms of cosmetic looks is a preference these days.
Are you being coy?
Born* with an attraction to the opposite sex
*whether that means its caused by genetics, culture, environment, …, or temperature of their mother’s uterus, or a mix I don’t know. But it doesn’t matter, the point is they cannot just stop.
What does this have to do with gender identity?
In the mind of those who have desires yes it can be. You cannot destroy the desires of another person.
Ok so you are making a sarcastic remark that I am behaving like a Christian yet…this has nothing to do with Christianity? If it has nothing to do with Christianity then why did you even bring it up?
You waste sarcasm on the chronically clueless. Laughing Man doesn’t even understand the topic without sarcasm, introducing humour is completely outside his capacity to comprehend in this debate.
In general, the ignorance in this thread is disgusting.
A man can turn himself into the look of a woman and vice versa. The only thing you cannot change is your chromosomes and DNA. Therefore gender identity concerning the look of an individual is preference.
That has nothing to do with gender identity. Your ignorance is mind boggling.
So that attraction doesn’t have to be sexual?
So its a yes. Yes you can stop being gay.
To point out that you are behaving like one. (I’m sure there are other people who feel the same way as you and the particular Christians about sexual preferences, Christians are just the most obvious.)
No, its pretty much a definite sexual attraction. Look the terms up.
(are you trying to lead somewhere with this or are you genuinely asking questions?)
His behaviour has nothing to do with Christianity, and Christianity doesn’t have a uniform position on homosexuality.
Sure. If someone wants to. The key terms wants to.
So this does have something to do with Christianity. Therefore your earlier comment about how this has nothing to with Christianity is a disingenuous one.
So self-identification concerning sexuality cannot include gender modification?
Kaju, let me know if you want to save this thread, and I will delete all of the offtopic posts.
I understand it now. I’ll let you be to the flame war between LS, LM, and you. [:D]
I sincerely apologise, feel free to remove it all, I don’t want to damage Kaju’s thread on virtue ethics any further. Did you at least see the sarcasm originally? (My English cannot be that poor)
You don’t understand what gender identity is or what a nightmare it is for people who get trapped in a body that doesn’t match with their identity. The body can be changed, but gender identity cannot. To claim it is a matter of desire or willpower is so grossly idiotic, but not totally unexpected from you.
To highlight what a complete ignoramus you are, the statements you have made are tantamount to claiming that black people can be white, if they just want it bad enough.
Seriously, turn off your computer for the night and let this thread die. You’ve made a complete jackass of yourself.
Well sexual identity is a produce of our consciousness. It is not apart of our genes. It is not written into our DNA. It is a state of mind. Why do you assume we cannot choose to live in such a state? We are not slaves to our consciousness, we are masters of it.
Just so you know I have put in a complaint about your comments in this thread. I’m tired of being insulted in such a fashion. You are breaking the forum rules when you are suppose to be upholding them.
If you were to possess a different set of taste receptors than the set which you currently possess, such a difference would probably affect some of your preferences.
If you were to lose your right leg in a car accident, such a loss would probably affect some of your preferences.