I don’t think labelling someone as a eugenicist is appropriate if they simply want to discuss racial traits.
I didn’t deny that. I’m simply saying that just because someone is a race-realist (or simply just interested in the study), doesn’t mean they advocate any sort of social and/or political action like eugenics, forced segregration, etc. I’m just interested in the science.
What are you gonna do with it?
What can be done with it?
Seriously.
Er, so we should disregard it and not discuss it because it’s a touchy subject?
I don’t know, and I don’t care. Science is science. If there’s some truth out there to be found, we should go for it.
Errr, give me one example of an application of racial science that isn’t eugenic.
Err, just one.
I don’t care about political correctness, either. So hit me with it.
I’m willing to bet that there aren’t too many racists trolling Mises trying to stir up hate for blacks… Treating something as taboo and off limits only gives it more power.
Err, so, there aren’t any examples you can give of eugenics being useful? You are just going to keep dodging and bringing up the PC angle? As if that strengthens your case?
Certain racial groups are more susceptible to particular diseases.
I gave one and you flipped the f*** out.
Uh, ok. Evolutionary psychology has a lot to do with environment; different races come from different environments. We want to learn more about the connection between as many of these things as possible.
And yes it strengthens my case because censorship is never acceptable. As in every other aspect of the world, it will regulate itself. Don’t stifle any sort of scientific endeavor; let the scientific endeavor stifle itself.
Ok, here is a legitimately good one. Now, "why are they more susceptible? Are they inferior?" Do you see what I am saying? There isn’t an avenue of inquiry that doesn’t lead to that conclusion. If there were, it would’ve sprung up somewhere and the eugenic literature wouldn’t be filled with disgusting stories.
This is obvious and uncontroversial. “Umm, there skin pigmentation is different. her her.”
Habba, I didn’t flip out. I actually made a joke. You’re just a 15 year old idiot.
What an incredibly naive thing to think. You should check out Franics Bacon on this subject…there is no reason to be optimistic about the things science will bring us.
Their genetic makeup is different - that is all. Nature is nature.
What’s with having to find something to do with it? I read and discuss a lot about history, archaeology, philosophy, economics, linguistics, biology, psychology, genetics, classics, music and politics without any desire to do ‘something’ with anything of them. I’m just interested in them and want to have the most accurate understanding of them. I didn’t see anything offensive in that thread whatsoever.
Anyway, we discussed the shut-down in the Low Content Thread: *** October 2012 low content thread *** - #261 by Neodoxy
I don’t really see how having a single thread on ‘race’ on the LvMI forums hurts the reputation of the LvMI. The people who would label the LvMI racist over something like that would see them as crackpots and racists (neoconfederates) anyway. If there were threads all over the forum about it then it would detract from the purpose of the site, but deleting a single thread like that is a ridiculous overreaction, especially since there was no flaming going on at all. We have a million threads about alienation and employment being unjust, and the mods don’t care. One thread about race and it gets deleted.
You’re avoiding further inquiry because you know where it leads. If they are more susceptible than others…then the logical conclusion is that … ? There are some who have _______ genetic makeup than others. You fill in the blank.
Aristophanes, I can only speak for myself but everything I said in that thread was value-free.
I am not accusing anyone of anything. I am merely stating that it is a subject (or scientific inquiry) that has been used for nothing but evil.
It’s a word; get over it. If the science is there, then we all have to accept it.
All value is subjective. Except when it comes to sexual partners, athletes, models or actors. It’s unconstitutional anyway. I think. Sometimes. But it certainly won’t fly in anarchy. Only miscegination is acceptable.