The EU should be disbanded, or at least wound down as a political organisation. The free trade area, the ESM, is crucial to Pan-European prosperity going-forward but the harmonisation of taxation, regulations etc. is a manifest threat to freedom and competition. Currently, to highlight a trivial but frighteningly absurd example, the EU regulates the shape a Banana can be before they can be legally sold.Things of this nature are distressing developments when they occur in a single nation, but when they are imposed over 27 of the world’s most prosperous states it is tragic
So you dislike ‘small government’, government is a necesscity yet government is conquest…I’m sorry but why are you here?
Why should I care?
I’m dead serious. I honestly couldn’t care less whether there is one socialist government or a dozen different socialist governments. Both have their disadvantages from a libertarian perspective.
For the same reason it’s far, far worse of a situation if the US turns socialist than if California (say) or any individual state does so. The damage is far more confined and the victims of the socialists can flee to greener pastures more easily. When the socialists control a good chunk of an entire continent, it’s a lot more difficult.
Aye-Aye!
Both succession and reform are preferable to doing nothing. Succession however, is preferable to reform, because it is less easily rolled back.
In terms of strategy, it is preferable to press for succession as a redress to the problems of the EU, because it increases the chances of being able to achieve reform wrt a strategy of reform.
Guys, Britain’s broke!
Polishmen and Hungarians are paying for its social expenditures, social insurance and debt. It CAN"T seccede without defaulting on its obligations, which in turn will leave the Government unable to pay its social insurance payments. THERE IS NO MINARCHIC SOLUTION TO THE EU, once down that road NOTHING, save for a bloody revolution, will roll social changes back.
Gorbachev in 1990 tried to reform, and it brought the entire state down. The thing its simple: Seccession or reform? NEITHER WILL DO. Only a total abolition of the state will do.
And that, my good friends will not happen on its own. Start hoping for a miracle. Europe shall need it.
Every country’s broke. Who has the leadership to stop the collapse and ruin?
When empires go bust it takes outside leadership to liberate its people from ruin. Does there exist leaders with authority and power outside the political systems?
Why shouldn’t he be here? This is a forum about Austrian Economics. It is not reserved for “anarchists”.
You had me right up until “NEITHER WILL DO” and then you entered psuedo-anarchist cliché mode.
boy are conservatives clueless and boring.
This is a forum about freedom, not statism…in any form ?
I invite anyone to do any better.
Secession is the only real hope. Maintain the free trade and common labor market, but get rid of the Euro and leave the political sphere. Losing your sovereignty to a national government is bad, but getting it lost to a multi-national government is even worse.
I guess Mises wouldn’t be welcome either, beng a minarchist.
lol. What would be not welcomed are absurd arguments regardless of the person who comes up with them. Or do you think that some people are
- above logic
- entitled to kill dissenters who don’t want to be ruled by their ‘minimal’ tyranny.
You know, invoking Mises’ authority, or anyone else’s, will get you nowhere.
I never claimed any of the above, and neither did I say I was a minarchist, I just wanted to use Mises as an example, not an argument from authority. I just think you show a seemingly unhealthy intolerance towards intellectual views that differ with yours.
uh oh.
But at any rate I don’t want to kill dissenters.
Maybe there’s something unhealthy about you, too…
Oh you have no idea![;)].
On a more serious note, who said anything about killing dissenters? All I’m trying to say is I don’t think it’s wise for you or anyone else on this forum to tell anyone else to piss off just because they don’t share exactly the same political and economic views as you.
Well, I didn’t tell anyone to piss off, I think.
And I don’t see how you can complain about my ‘intolerance’ for statists given that their political system is based on eliminating individuals who don’t agree with their political views.
I don’t need to explain how ‘miniarchy’ works do I ?