FAFSA is a classic case of the “seen versus the unseen.”
As Dilorenzo puts it, “rearranging the chairs on the titanic”
Which would not be the -%12, -%9, -%5 off of the paycheck which. All the FAFSA funds come from the Income Tax, not from the individuals directly. The money for all Government spending programs comes from the abundance of the Income Tax after taxing season, and for whatever the Government doesn’t have it just takes from China or runs a deficit.
What I can’t understand about the broken window in this concept, is that the money doesn’t come from individuals directly, it comes from the sum of taxes. Which is why I question its correctness.
Really, all I’m debating is that sometimes you use the system to your advantage, it isn’t un-libertarian if your using it to get by in your time.
Ideally, it would be best to live in a more capitalistic society where the free market provides a lot more, and is accessible. Education would be cheaper in a free market as well, where there wouldn’t be monopolized student loans.
I don’t see your reasoning. All taxes eventually come from an individual: it’s a profit/wage that can’t be made, because it’s taken by the government.
Living in a State Run World, Murray Rothbard
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To all you “radical” Anarchists in this topic, I have some reading for you to do. I hope that you get over your elitism.
You wanted to apply your intelligence, and now is your oppurtunity. Construct your very first coherent argument, instead of throwing a tantrum cloaked by a Rothbard link.
If you want your education to count, and you’re an abstract thinker I highly suggest the sciences (physics, molecular biology, chemistry, biochemistry, mathematics, ect… ). However, many field requires at least a M.S. or Ph.D. In addition, what’s great about graduate studies in the sciences is that it’s free, and many programs include a stipend. Thus, you’re not a leach on society.
All these problems that you’re stating… well, that’s your public school education at its best. Think about that and all of the government intervention that’s currently in place. I highly suggest you visit the following website so you can expand your ability on understanding the problems of the US edcational system.
Its pretty much all in there. However, I will refute.
For one the “radical” anarchists in this topic don’t define what Libertarianism is, being one doesn’t mean you can make up your own definition of it. Now, the different MEANINGS of it to YOU is a different story, but don’t try to put that on other people. Part of the individual pursuit of happiness is taking what you can get, Rothbard says to use state roads, collect unemployment, ect whatever you need to do to get through life. Just don’t ADD to the Statism. College is a great learning opportunity, and if you don’t think so I don’t believe you have given it much time. The first two years of college don’t seem like much since they require you to take all these Gen Ed classes which can get really boring and irritating. Institutions like Colleges use a method of eliminating everyone who can’t handle College.
I don’t want to work a shitty job, like bagging groceries and being shouted at by a manager with nothing more then a High School education. Having a College degree means I have more quality then that manager.
You went a Community College. Community College is generally for morons who didn’t have good enough grades in High School to get into a University, since anyone can go. Most of those “slacker” teens drop out after the first 1-2 years of school when they realize they can’t handle it. I know lots of serious students at my college. Have you seen the crowd at a good college, or one of the top universities in your state? Most of them are serious students since they had the good SAT scores to get in.
I need a BA before I can get an MA/MS obviously. To get there I need to pass the curriculum requirements at an undergrad school.
Would this be different at a Private Liberal Arts College? Which cost 35k a year..
Does it really matter how serious someone is if what they’re being taught is incorrect or otherwise flawed? Someone can be completely serious and become a master of Keynesian Economics, but that doesn’t equate to Keynesian Economics being correct does it now? Why does someone whose serious get a free pass? if I’m serious about robbing you, do I get a free pass?
On a sidenote, aren’t you assuming a great deal that Community College is generally for morons? The better ones are actually quite useful in brushing up one’s knowledge of miscellaneous topics. Attending one for the sake of learning a language or instrument isn’t half bad either. Not to mention that several ‘serious’ students attend a community college either to save from paying absurd prices at a four year college for general education courses, which quite frankly are quite useless in the long run for most people.
That aside, onto your main argument. Now I want to be perfectly clear, your argument is essentially that Rothbard excused such things as practicle necessities in the statist world, correct? If so, then I must say I disagree on two major points.
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The first of which is, and I acknowledge that I might be stepping on toes here, simply because Rothbard said its okay doesn’t mean it’s okay. Most of us here owe him a tremendous debt to him intellectually, but we musn’t allow ourselves to be caged in within his ideas. We do a great disfavor to the man if we follow his writings as holy scriptures. He was human and as prone to error as you or I.
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While Rothbard regards the using of public roads excusable for the sake of practicality (we couldn’t build private roads or compete with other government mandated monopolies even if we tried), I don’t believe he ever meant his article to be used to justify someone exploiting others. If you are an individual who is taxed heavily, and so the funds that would of otherwise gone to your education have been allocated to the government, then yes it would be excusable to accept FASFA money to pay for your education. However if you’re a net tax receiver, that is, if you receive more in government services than you pay in them, then I would argue that it would be unethical as a austrolibertarian to accept FASFA money. Of the two scenarios, most FAFSA receivers are in the latter.
Ultimately however, how you wish to act is up to you and your code of ethics.
I attended a private university (approximately 45,000.00$ a year) for my M.S. in chemical physics where I recieved a stipend and tuition waiver. Of course, I did research in return and tutored undergraduate students. I’m currently in a Ph.D program with a specialization in theoretical chemical physics with the same tuition assistance. However, I must reiterate that my tuition is being payed via scholarship and research that I adminster through our department.
The assistance that you recieve in graduate school is heavily dependent on the popularity of the program, but more importantly how difficult the field. In general, the biological fields is heavily saturated, but fields like chemistry(physical chemistry, solid state chemistry, inorganic chemistry, medicinal chemistry, theoretical chemistry, materials chemistry, ect) and physics(solid state physics, astrophysics, particle physics, biophysics, ect) are not.
I wouldn’t put too much of an emphasis on a liberal arts college or a more science oriented university for graduate school. What is important is how strong the department that your planning on attending. In many cases, the professors that teach/research the specialized area that you’re interested takes priority.
I am sure I would fall in with the category of general morons too. Thanks for the insult. Since when do grades reflect intelligence? Oh, I suppose they do gauge your willingness to work whilst kissing the buttocks of their most dubious royal majesties. Maybe I am just lazy. ---- And a moron.
rolls eyes since when did Austrolibertarianism become a life philosophy/code of life? Its a political and economic philosophy! It has nothing to do with how I live my life!
What the heck is the point of the stupid Gen. Ed classes? After that last semester, I have decided not waste another damn minute on Gen. Eds. The classes were Public Speaking, Intermediate Algebra, and Essay Writing. Most of the students in the classes seem unmotivated to learn anything, and a lot of the information was common sense. At Community Colleges, they make you take a Seminar class which is all about study tips, communicating with professors, ect. I wouldn’t waste my time with that at ALL, I would feel like its an insult to my intelligence. The existence of the course in the first place implies that most students don’t know these things, which I only have to assume is true if they haven’t removed it as a required course in the first semester at a Community College.
I take that back. It seems the COMMUNITY COLLEGES act like the students are morons for the reason I stated in the post above. At a private university, which has its own curriculum they assume that you were smart enough to get into an Ivy League school and thus don’t treat you like a moron. You can take whatever you like, and the Ivy League has the best professors in the country. Sadly, unless you can prove your smart with a 4.5 GPA and A+'s since freshman year, you don’t stand a chance of getting in. Thus your “intelligence” means nothing. Its very depressing.
I think it is a conspiracy to keep employed professors in the soft sciences (sociology, anthropology, etc).
Yup.