I was once told that most acts of anti-semitism are done out of resentment towards the success Jews have had under capitalism. I don’t support Israel but I don’t buy the whole “Jewish control of the FED” conspiracy (I believe it’s a shadow government done by seculars).
Heh, what’d you expect of medieval peasants who lazed away their day and saw the local Jews get rich because their religion made them do it? At its core, anti-semitism would seem to be socialism (i.e. envy).
I often think that if Jews had been more open to conversions (inward), the west would be Jewish, not Christian. Indeed, perhaps Christianity evolved to provide some cultural benefits of the Jewish religion while following an ‘open admission’ policy.
Well Merlin, Peter thought that christians should get circumcision, but Paul knew that anything sharp near penis would scare away too many people and so defended the position of neverminding it.
Because Mises, Rothbard, Friedmans and other libertarians are/were jews. Or they hate libertarians because so many of them are jews. Or maybe because Marx and Keynes were anti-semitic. Who knows? But anyway, anti-semitism is disgusting.
This is an odd question, because I’ve never heard such a thing. Generally it’s the socialists and collectivists who are defending all sorts of “minorities” and Jews because of the so called Holocaust. Don’t forget that Marx was ethnically a Jew.
Iirc, Marx said something like he envisioned a world without Jews. He accused them of being part of a vast capitalist/bankers conspiracy. I guess that is where the anti-semitism comes from.
Iirc, Marx said something like he envisioned a world without Jews. He accused them of being part of a vast capitalist/bankers conspiracy. I guess that is where the anti-semitism comes from.
Proudhon called for a holocaust 90 years before the holocaust. Bakunin called Jews “leaches and parasites” in his letters. I wonder how many socialist “anarchists” feel the same way.
What makes you an ethnic Jew? My father is Jewish, but that doesn’t make me a Jew ethnically-speaking (nor religiously speaking). What is the Jewish ethnicity? I always thought that the ethnicity, which we share with people of other religions, is the Semetic ethnicity (therefore, “anti-Semetism”).
I’m not sure anti-Semitism is unique to socialists, as there have been plenty of Jewish socialists (Berkman, Bookchin, Chomsky, Goldman, and Zinn, to name a few big names), plus the Anarchists Against the Wall crew. A good question would be, “why are so many people anti-Semitic?”
^^above is correct. People are anti-group. They are the collectivists and that is how they see the world as other collectivist groups.
And look at the founding members of the bolshevik party. They were like 10% jewish(?); it is not an exclusive idea. The czars opperessed them outwardly and they rebelled. EDIT: - i thought that there was a much higher percentage of them that were jewish.
Also, the term ‘anti-semetic’ is itself a collectivist entitlement given to ‘jews’ because Semetic people are arab as well as italian, spanish, and a few other places. So to say anti-semitic and refer to it only in defense of jewish people is a little misleading.
Agreed, and thank you for speaking this truth, at least as it has always appeared to me. This is news to me too, because I was very much under the impression that socialists and collectivists defend the Jews, and would not condone an ounce of anti-Semitism! Not only that, I thought all this time that the “socialists and collectivists” (i.e. “liberals”) consist primarily of the Jewish community – just look at the bleeding-heart liberal Hollywood movie industry/celebrity crowd, the majority of whom are Jewish! But maybe, since I have not done a lot of research into this matter, I very well could be missing out on some relevant facts and, therefore, my opinion could be mistaken. In any case, this discussion has prompted me to research this topic on my own for further clarification.
I don’t think it is true. It is perhaps confirmation bias. It seems to be a right-wing trend to play the race card for Jews, since right-wing people don’t like blacks complaining about racism. They learned it as a defense mechanism, because they know it is a useful media tool. It’s the right’s race card. Probably stemming from their foaming-at-the-mouth support for Israel. But it is usually very hyperbolic.
I think a lot of Jews think that everyone is anti-semitic. Their biggest “racist groups” seem to be Arabs and black people. Both of whom they think are spreading anti-semitism. (Arabs, I can see, but I have seen no evidence among black Americans). Of course there is also people who support a Palestinian state: which includes much of the left. And the ‘self-hating Jews’: either who have stopped believing in religion or who don’t support all of the actions of Israel.
Ironically, I think most Jews are on the left and love socialism. Israel is a socialist country (with not much in the way of private property), and many members of the Knesset are in groups like the Socialist International.
Get real, there’s not greater preponderance of antisemities amongst the left than there is amongst the right. Without trying to slight libertarianism, there’s plenty of antisemitism on this board alone, just look at the cranky holocaust denial stuff.
I think a lot of Jews think that everyone is anti-semitic.
A lot of Jews equate anti-Zionism with anti-Semetism. That’s for sure. My grandmother on my father’s side (a convert to Judaism, no less!) called me a Nazi, because I am anti-Zionist (although, not necessarily against the state of Israel) – she also called me a Nazi because I prefer my mother’s surname over my father’s (Catalán vs. Finegold). Zionism, btw, was originally a socialist movement.
I’ve found that most Jews of this type are those totally disconnected to the problems Israeli Jews live through on a daily basis (i.e. American Jews).
Btw, your comment on Jewish anti-Semetism is right on the money.
I’m not sure anti-Semitism is unique to socialists, as there have been plenty of Jewish socialists (Berkman, Bookchin, Chomsky, Goldman, and Zinn, to name a few big names), plus the Anarchists Against the Wall crew. A good question would be, “why are so many people anti-Semitic?”
Most of those people (prob. all of them) were not Jews but atheists. Jewish is a religion. For one thing, I don’t see how you can be an observant Jew and a marxist and/or socialist anarchist at the same time.
I brought this up b/c I don’t see too many other political/economic philosophies with so many Jew-haters. There has to be a correlation between socialism and anti-semitism and I think Mr. Keefe’s video may have some merit.
Except it is obviously not true. A Bahranian is an ethnic Arab, not an ethnic Semite. Also individual Arabs get acussed of anti-semitism all the time, how could they if they were of the same ethnicity?
But it could, if you wanted it to. You are of partial Jewish heritage so you can think of yourself as a Jew in the ethnic sense. Or you don’t have to.
America is full of people of Ulster-Scot heritage who pay that no regard and give their ethnicity (at the census) as ‘American’. One the other hand the Italians and the Irish identify with their heritage enough to give their ethnicity as Italian/Irish. Ethnicity, like all things identity, is large part choice.
Except it is not. Judaism is a religion. Jew is an identity. For some it is merely a religious identity, but for most it doubles as an ethnic and even national/political identity.
Judaism is the oldest tribal religion. Meaning that most Jewish people actually have a hereditary line back to the first Jewish peoples. And, regardless, Semitic, as our Catalan friend has pointed out, denotes a whole range of Arab people, but has been used specifically for Jewish folks in the sense of anti-semitic. And if we’re going to go ahead and say Judaism is simply a religion, then I would say there’s more of a correlation between socialists and atheism than socialists and anti-semitism.
Except it is obviously not true. A Bahranian is an ethnic Arab, not an ethnic Semite. Also individual Arabs get acussed of anti-semitism all the time, how could they if they were of the same ethnicity?
I don’t know what any of this has to do with what I wrote, which is that the ethnicity is Semetic not “Jewish”. Neither did I say that all Jews are Semites (most Jews probably aren’t). This is why racial hatred of Jews is so absurd.