How so? Can you please explain the way in which conditions will be made better. But this time, don’t forget about the long-term consequences of destroying incentives to produce wealth by stealing from entrepreneurs, or the inability of a system with no (or disrupted) price signals to anticipate consumer demand.
It’s quite silly to critize a state capitalist society and call it communist. The Soviet Union had property rights, a market economy and a state. To call it communist is just plain wrong. Communism is a stateless and classless society. The Soviet Union had a state, that state was also a ruling social class.
You can call it what you want, but you dont “need” to do anything. Life is a want, a mutually shared want by all things living, but a want nonetheless. People work to make a profit and fulfil their wants. “Need” is just a buzzword you use to intimidate people just like “capitalist”, “exploitation”, “slavery”, etc.
What about those who have no access to farming. Those living in poverty in cities etc?
Psst…that’s called an equivocation. See this here-> http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=profit S: (v) profit, gain, benefit (derive a benefit from) “She profited from his vast experience” . Are not workers by exchanging their labor for food/water profiting? Yes. By engaging in this trade it proves that they value food/water subjectively more than their labor. Therefore they are profiting
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Do you have any sources? Mine’s called logic. If Chinese people choose to labor in factories instead of farming like they did under communism it shows they prefer factories to farms. They could have choosen to stay starving on their farms when the capitalists came to town but they flocked to the factory. Why?
Here’s a better example of what’s happened to the Vietnamese since liberalization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQeASkGRiW0.
Why would people be wealthier? Because Dear Leader Markus declares it so? Or will you simply send those who think they are worse off to the gulag or the concentration camp Marky Mark?
This is true, but weren’t the Platonic roots of Marxism intent on having a managerial class (equivalent to Plato’s property-less Guardians). Hence the insane eugenics programmes to try to breed an elite, no?
I am aware that Marx claimed to owe a debt of gratitude to Aristotle, not Plato, but some forms of Socialism can be traced back to Plato.
Why pray tell did people emigrate to the cities FROM the countryside whenever capitalist factories have arisen throughout history?
If you don’t drink and eat enough, you are going to die. I would call that a “need”, not a “want”.
To pose the question again: And if people choose to move to cities to work in capitalist factoires in order to better provide for both needs and/or wants, how are they being exploited? Aren’t they gaining?
It is predicated on the want to live. No suicidal person will claim they need food and water.
But people want to live, or do not want to live. Thats why some people kill themselves, they no longer prefer life. Life itself is a want, and saying “I need water and food to fulfil my want to live” doesnt make it a need, its still a want, though a want that everyone alive has..
Higher standard of living of course.
To put it another way, If I want to get a date, I need to put on some nice clothes and deodorant. But thats just an extension of a want.
Everything is subjective.
You can ‘explore’ what you like, but if they’re patently false then you should be ready to be called on it.
That is a fair point.
But what we had in wasn’t communism; Communists killing fellow workers and communists is NOT communism. We had some warped version of communism that descended into a totalitarian state due to outside pressures (the capitalist countries). Therefore, workers may be choosing to work in factories because it was better than starving on a farm, but that still doesn’t negate the fact that they are working for pittance in order to have a slightly better quality of live when the vast majority of the wealth is created for the factory owners (capitalists).
Hey man, we’re on the same side. I took an untrustworthy source too seriously.
Yeah its the capitalists fault the government is corrupt. Those greedy fuckers lending out money at interest causes all the worlds problems. Nevermind that child abuse, violence, and fraud all existed and were commonplace before money was even invented.
This slight lack of freedom in has everything to do with the trade embargo which has prevented from prospering yet further. Any deficiencies in freedom in are to do with the fact it has a huge capitalist country on it’s door step that is doing it’s best to bring down communism. Not to mention other western capitalist countries against .
Markus, please atleast read on these subjects-they were all created to destroy the scientific case for forms of socialism/communism. Now, I do agree that the form of communism found in Russia/China was warped from its original foundations, but nonetheless blaming it on capitalists would only make it seem that a communist system would be inherently unstable; obviously that is not a good thing for someone who believes in the communist/socialist ideal.
Or, you know, a natural necessity of life. Oh noes, we’re enslaved to nature, cry me a goddamn river. [:'(]