Plato - endorsed institutional slavery. Justified his opinion as nature
Aristotle - said people not of his “class” were not up to intellectual prowess and didn’t deserve salvation.
Locke - Justified stealing the land from indians
Tocqueville - Said that the Native americans had a “pretentious language”
any of our founders - all racists, all liars, power mongering monsters, with the desire to dominate others and virtually no other reason.
Robespierre - said use violence to fight for political objectives.
Disraeli - ran the bank of england, was rich.
These people are deserving of our respect? Why? Certainly anyone with thoughts like theirs should not be sung, but bemoaned, yes?
EDIT: i am not ‘ad hominem’ ing them. I want people to brainstorm on why people who held these views are held up as famous figures. All of those are phrased to be damning, but that is the point. After all so many people in here hate the founders, so i want to know why we think of them as “great”. People seem to be quick to rush to judgement based on the negatives, but overlook the positives.
I’ll begin the list of fallcies in your OP.
- Ad hominems
(No comments about how a question is not an argument. We could change the OP to “Certainly anyone with thoughts like theirs should not be sung, but bemoaned;” thus, removing the question.)
you’re missing the point man. I’m being serious and i think these people are more or less deserving of our respect. We should be thankful for all of their insights. But let’s come up with the actaul reasoning behind it.
But thanks for questioning my character right off the bat…
EDIT:
What? Read my post alound, man. I want the question there, you need to brush up on your rhetoric. (Aristotle, that bastard!)
Because we could agree with the idea independently of the person who professed it.
Mises once advocated nightwatchmen, therefore, he must bemoaned?
Walter Block was a socialist.
Tom Woods a neocon.
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dude, you’re being retarded, i LIKE these people, I AM WRITING IN A SATIRICAL TONE because of the posts in here.
The people on here are very emotional. Reason is there to conquer emotion, remember?
you are missing the point of my post man.
w/e you’re an idiot if you can’t figure out i’m kidding and want the people who say that these people are good.
I OBVIOUSLY LEFT SOME THINGS OUT hahahaha
they were different posts…and i’m holding that you don’t know satire.
My OP (The list) was written to defame them. So with the defamation OUT of the way, my seriousness comes in when i want people to say why they are famous anbd why we like them.
But you’d rather be a little bitch and purposely not “get” what i am saying. You’re pretty smart, kid.
these aren’t even true, man. My list post (OP) are true things, just worded to rile up emotion. You are just making things up, and you think that makes you clever or witty? You’re an idiot if you don’t get what i am saying…
sigh…trolling, pretty cool for a mod, huh?
After reading your OP, I thought you were serious. Then you stated that you were serious. Then you stated that your OP was satire.
Btw, no insults, please.
i don’t buy it. you’re trolling
I never said that the stuff in your OP were lies.
Walter Block has admitted that he was a socialist.
Tom Woods has admitted that he was a neocon.
WAAAASSSSS. is not IS. Plato died with those contentions..
and STOP even posting. you ruined my thread. I wanted the people on here who hate out founders to actually admit that they were great people despite their flaws.
I’ve actually answered your OP: “Because we could agree with the idea independently of the person who professed it.”
Okay, point taken, but why do we remember them as people? Plato was taught by someone…
and yea that one post in a group of all the others that were douche posts…
I’m trying to hit 70,000 points by this weekend.
Okay, that was a troll. I’ll stop now, except to moderate any insults, etc.