Well, I desire liberty. But I would think this is a subjective thing. People have to come to this conclusion in some way. And as of now ,I don’t think they see this. The idea of liberty is so far misconstrued, people don’t know what it really is. They think its government regulated healthcare, social security, etc.
Our current education system in the public sector hides this, they don’t teach it. And in college, it’s a lottery on which professor you get and what this professor teaches. Mostly it’s going to be the same ol drudgery.. they’ll show you one side and no other, and they’ll teach you the wrong things.
Now days, liberty minded folk are seen as nutjobs.
Well, that’s all well and good, but the point is that in a situation where there is an information asymmetry, it’s very easy for one person to take advantage of another. Not to say that it always happens or that it’s the fault of the person taking advantage. But just that it can happen. So to assume that every voluntary transaction is mutually beneficial is naive. I’ve sold things to people who did not stand to gain from what I sold them. But they trusted me. I used their trust. This happens all the time. It’s got less to do with me than the person who was willing to trust me. That’s what I’m trying to get at here. If people don’t understand socialism, it could obviously be very very seductive and appealing.
Ever been walking in a parking lot and seen a nice car you can’t afford? Now what if you could get license to steal that car, or the money to be able to buy it? I know I have and I’ve thought “if only I could just steal it without consequence.” Socialism promises that car. Or the money to be able to buy it.
Ever read the Communist Manifesto? It’s very seductive. “All the workers stand to lose are their chains.” I know I’ve been at work before and felt like I was chained to something I hated.
The appeal is the lack of personal responsibility and the offer of free stuff.
I swear, sometimes the people on this forum remind me of the Hoynhnhnms from Gulliver’s Travels who never lied or misrepresented things and when they met Gulliver decided he was an intelligent Yahoo with the ability to say “that which is not.”
The whole point of salesmanship is to convince people that they stand to gain from something when they don’t.
Case in point: Obama sells socialism. How? By offering people stuff. They buy into it without ever realizing what they’re trading. They come out worse.
No, it’s very easy for many to take advantage of one.
Do you know what those people were thinking prior to purchase? Disabuse yourself of believing your somehow omniscient and can read minds. You are not the judge of other peoples values and decisions. What a foolish thing to say. I know lately allot of people have been tossing around opinions as axioms. This is not one of them. It’s established as axiomatic for a reason. You think your magically going to disprove it?
The only way you can disprove the axiom is by reading someones mind prior to a purchase and observing their sentiments. I’m going to safely assume your incapable of this. If you continue to argue this your nonsense will only become more overt. I recommend taking a different lien of reasoning.
yes it’s a part of the sale. That doesn’t invalidate the trade axiom.
The same could be said about capitalism.
You should have changed jobs.
Lol, no it’s not. But remind me to never buy something from you. [:)]
That doesn’t invalidate the trade axiom. People thought they had something to gain by employing socialism.
People are rationally ignorant and need an economic means to educate them on products they are interested in. The act of advertising and being a salesmen is part of that. Good salesmen are more efficient in this regard.
So even a good salesmen can sell socialism if people think they stand to gain. A person who is employed in the unemployment system is doing so rationally from an economic standpoint.
That doesn’t mean you know what they were thinking silly goose. [:)]
So when you asked them they all told you that they thought they were getting screwed? And they said as much with a smile on their face?
Why are you so inclined to argue over something you would probably normally agree to? You make yourself look foolish when you pretend to be omniscient.
No, they told me they wanted to lose weight. So, depending on which item was the highest commission item for the week, I’d say " Ah yes, well you, my friend are in luck because we’ve got these great fat burners, they work wonders, you’ve gotta try them. Oh by the way, do you take a multi-vitamin?"
They may have been worthless after the fact, i.e. they found out later. But they believed the pills would do something before finding that out, so they made the trade.
Yeah, they probably did. And they had no idea what they were buying. That’s their fault though. Not mine. My job was to sell things, not coddle people.
Anyways, the conclusion I’ve reached about why people don’t choose ‘liberty’ is that the socialists are either better salesmen or the socialist ideology is more appealing or a combination of the two.
Humans don’t desire liberty. They like to control other people because of their various fears and inadequacies. You can’t control other people and enjoy liberty at the same time.
I don’t mean to sound condescending, but I think that without the training, it would be hard for you or anyone else to understand where I’m coming from.