Why don’t we buy an island from Greece and setup a libertarian community there? Its close to civilization, its not Somalia or something. What is the problem? Why do we need ariticial islands?
“Why don’t we buy an island from Greece and setup a libertarian community there? Its close to civilization, its not Somalia or something. What is the problem? Why do we need ariticial islands?”
Good point. Anyone real smart have an answer?
Is Greece actually selling sovergienty rights for the islands, or merely government-owned land that remains part of the Greek nation?
I’ll tell you why, Eugene. I’m sure the Greek government would be happy to sell off its sovereignty over an island that the Greeks have been inhabiting for millenia, and the people on that island would be happy to be subjected to an alien group of American anarchists for the purposes of a social experiment to once-and-for-all prove or disprove the viability of anarchism. But despite all that, we don’t want to follow through with it because we know deep down that it wouldn’t work and that the island would devolve into a morass of murdering warlords and rapacious con men and the experiment would end up proving that our most dearly cherished ideology of anarchism is, in fact, false and unworkable.
So, that’s why. We’re chicken.
Clayton -
Can’t tell if sarcastic or just still a teenager.
Why don’t we buy an island from Greece and setup a libertarian community there? Its close to civilization, its not Somalia or something. What is the problem? Why do we need ariticial islands?
No. Move to NH instead.
Having an anarcho-capitalist island close to civ would be a bad idea. Civ tends to be pro-collectivist by its nature so the best thing to do would be go as far away from civ as possible, homestead land and be 100% self-sufficient.
F4M, I think you’re on the wrong forum, I’m sure everyone here enjoys civilization.
How much are they?
EDIT: I found this one for 1.5M Euros, but its out of my price range.
Yeah, Bert, this guy would not even reason with me, and I even want to live in the wilderness at some point myself. I should point out that my desire to do so is actually more likely to be fulfilled than his, since all he seems to be actually doing is trolling on these forums. Also, I don’t see why I can’t mix bourgeois thought (the desire for “civ”) and Transcendentalist/Thoreauvian thought in my ideas about this. I would like to experience both sides of the coin. And I don’t see how he links any of this to Libertarianism either…
He even was contradictory enough to tell me “you should move to NH” when I expressed my desire to survive in the Alaskan wilderness for a time in my life. Well, who’s more self-reliant? The man who takes nature’s bounty and an easy climate, or the man who survives winters of 9 months and up to 40 degrees below fahrenheit?
I tried to defend him at first. Then I saw his discussion on Islam, and realized how irrational he was. So I’m going to “cross the floor” on this issue, as they say in political speak. Not that I am going to treat him like a jerk, but I will neither give him my support.
Why buy when there is a very large (+1,500,00 sq km) unclaimed and uninhabited territory still available?
It is a bit remote but does have a well educated but transient population nearby. Like New Hampshire though, the winters kinda suck (subjectively, of course), but wa do ya expect for free? Also, the surrounding territories do have governments which have pledged not to have any military operations nor nuclear experiments, etc. It has been surveyed and named but remains unclaimed.
This could be it? (elbavil yrev eb thgim ti tfihs elop eht dna 2102 retfa)
I don’t think anarcho-zionism is the way forward. If you want to smash the state, the best way to do it is through trying to educate people about the nature of the state.
I thought of moving to a small island but is still big enough to have one big town or two small ones and some where that is in a good climate. Then try get in to politics on the island and try to change it to anarcho capital system. There are a few islands that would be perfect for this. But you would have a lot of resistance on the island.
This sort of island, canary island, spanish owned, i think?
All states would have in interest in this failing.
Well, who’s more self-reliant? The man who takes nature’s bounty and an easy climate, or the man who survives winters of 9 months and up to 40 degrees below fahrenheit?
Nice try. They’re equally self-sufficient 
What’s wrong with collectivism?
If all of the island is owned by one person and the owner invites people on to the island without selling them any part of the island. I am not sure if that could be classified as anarcho capitalist system.
Problem with islands is that you might be able to make an island of reasonable size anarcho capitalist in system. The larger owning territory or realy the government and its army would just come and take over again.
This, this, some capital, some security, and some brave, adventurous souls is all you need to create an earthly paradise. I will sign up if you can get a party organized. Let’s do it!
I’m just going to find an shallow-water underwater island (such as in the background of this pict) and create a floating state achored to it. Much cheaper than buying an existing island. Doesn’t count as land for territorial purposes. This will then transition into a permanently floating state, which can go anywhere thereafter.
Wow that really is beautiful.