zeitgeist the movie:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912#
made from Peter Joseph:
…is a load of crap.
I thank Zeitgeist for getting me into politics/economics, but further research into its credibility left me very disappointed.
So was the part explaining all the Jesus like characters and the resurrection complete bs as well?
I don’t think it matters, they were not criticizing christianity for the right reasons.
I know what he was trying to aim at with the religion part in his documentary, but historically couldn’t correctly place it. It would be easier for him to cut right to the chase and say that the Bible is a book of Jewish mythology wrapped in Right-Hand Path philosophy, and all previous religions god’s were flipped into the Judea-Christian Satan, then expand from that.
Yes, all of it.
Congratulations, you’ve fallen for nwo propaganda. You support technocracy / anarcho-communism, which is the venus project & you don’t even know it.
I’d recommend Alex Jones documentaries over Zeitgeist anyday. He is far closer to the mark. [:)]
I hope that was sarcasm. Alex Jones? Really?
Nope, it wasn’t sarcasm. Have you got any anti-new world order / global elite documentaries you would recommend instead of Zeitgeist? What have you seen of his anyway, please list them all.
When I was watching his Endgame out of boredom one day, I just about fell out of my seat with laughter when he got to his preposterous darwinian-futurist-immortal elites climax. Alex Jones is such a tool.
And yet it’s still better than zeitgeist. You haven’t got any recommendations? Didn’t think so.
And yet this tool has done more than you to wake people up about the false left / right paradigm.. and support Ron Paul.
You don’t see any value in The Obama Deception?
Conza, I am not familiar with Jones in the least. I’m sure I’ve commentary about him having said quite ridiculous things. but judging that speech alone, (and excusing the minarchy) I think it was a great performance.
Editing Again. I Wish alex jones would be like that video more often. I mean the minarchist thing is eh… but the rest was good rhetoric.
To be fair, the bagpipes were a bit much.
Yeah, some guy adds bagpipes and can’t mix at an appropriate sound level, so the bagpipes drown out the speech.
AJ has been pretty good for the last couple months. He’s been almost ancap. Calls the government criminal constantly, and not just the FEDs but the states as well.
That said, he still can be over the top and it is a bit much.
You put this in the same category as Alex Jones documentaries / Zeitgeist films? i.e addressing the new world order?
No? Neither do I, which makes you posting it completely irrelevant since it doesn’t address the origional question I raised and that which you responded to.
The point of me recommending Alex Jones documentaries to the OP, instead of Zeitgeist ones - is:
(1) because the OP is clearly going down the conspiracy road, which is fine to an extent, since it’s a realization that those who control the state don’t lose their self interest when they gain power. But also that,
(2) Zeitgeist is new age bs, full of fallacies and half truths - socialism fails, “capitalism” has failed, so what we need is love, technocracy, a post scarcity world - a computer to make everything, more love, no money, resource based economy and so anarcho-communism ftw!
(3) The new age movement is all about ethical relativism. There is no absolute truth, only what is true for you. The AJ path is the opposite.
(4) The AJ path leads to Ron Paul, who in turn leads to Libertarianism and Austrian Economics… (which leads back to here, lol. So maybe he should just stay and start learning economics and political philosophy, but I don’t think that is likely.)
(5) The AJ path has considerable less fallacies and deals in a completely different area i.e reality, as opposed to fantasy land. eg.
http://www.thevenusproject.com/a-new-social-design/resource-based-economy (lmao)
Anyway, I wasn’t recommending or defending Alex Jones overall, just in comparison to the Zeitgeist movement. I’m still yet to hear a better alternative for someone going down this road.
[:)] I haven’t listened to him in a year + really (no need since I know the endgame and tactics, but realise there is better ground to stand on in terms of logic, political philosophy and economics - which is accessible everywhere you go, as oppossed to trying to get people to research this, or watch this doco.
I do however check out infowars.com articles every now and then. LRC, via David Kramer often post similar content.
Alex Jones does let loose, part of it is entertainment, rhetoric, what have you. And yep, there is a lot he doesn’t get, i.e Austrian Economics, and he doesn’t get past the Constitution, but it’s more so used as a comparison to world government and what we have now.
My take on Zeigeist.
Part 1
a) Religion. True to the core. You have to live in a totally non-religious country like I do to appreciate the rabid anger with which the Christian World can react when its fables are exposed.
b) 9/11. True to the core. You have to live…er, anywhere but in to be puzzled by the fact the Americans are the only people on this earth nowadays still largely thinking that 9/11 was a terrorist job.
c)The Fed. BS, clearly intelligence tactics: tell one truth, two lies. It can no longer be hidden that the Fed is leading the States to ruin, so what do you do? You cave in to Ron Paul, or you give an alternate explanation of why the Fed is a failure? Of course the latter! So, for Zeigesit, the Fed isn’t wrong as the monopoly issuer of legal tender notes, but only as it is privately owned (?!). Back in the gold days on the Civil War when honest Abe printed his own money, everything was fine, and that’s why the Rothschilds had him killed. A load of c..p!
Part 2
a) The Fed. Idem.
b) International “dirty jobs”. Probably true, but I can say with certainty. What puzzles me is that, should the Zeitgeist view be correct, it would follow that any country now on earth is sovereign, and must be bullied into submission in particular issue. I’m afraid that most countries nowadays are just parts of the American Empire, and have no will of their own.
c) Venus project…I didn’t even watch that part.
As for Alex Jones, guys we must go softer on Conspiracy Theorists. Just put yourself in their position: back in the days when you knew no praxeology, but still could see that something was wrong. Without a sound theory you just go by guessing. In this respect, I often find myself very satisfied with the quality of some of the insights of Conspiracy Theorists. For guys that have no idea at all of how Economics can truly be a science, for people subjected to half a century of intensive propaganda, they sometimes have good ideas. Of course, many more faults.
I myself lend an eager ear to such theories when they’re NOT talking of economics, but history, for they can be quite thorough researchers.
Zeitgeist Addendum is way worse. (Part 2)
You can sense the propaganda and appeal to emotion constantly, fallacy and half truths are mixed in together, which makes it so effective.
Propaganda 101, mixed with high production values… to be fair, if you know jack about economics and philosophy.. (like most people), it is very easy to get sucked in.