did anyone ever go to prison for the fabrication of the bay of tonkin “incident”?
This is quite the conspiracy theory. All the people who saw the 2nd plane hit the WTC are lying? All the footage of the 2nd tower getting hit by a plane are fake in some way? I realize you wnat to stick to “hard science”, which excludes live footage and eyewitness accounts, but there really isn’t much else we can go on as far as proving planes did or did not hit the towers. The WTC towers collapsed shortly after they were supposedly hit making it sort of difficult to analyze the supposed airplane crashes.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a plane didn’t crash in Pennsylvania or at the Pentagon, but I do tend to believe that an airplane hit the 2nd WTC tower.
i think accusing 9/11 of being an inside job is tantamount to if someone criticised israel. Sure there are many things that need to be brought to light, but you will get scorned for even suggesting it.
Personally, i think that it is unlikely that the hijackers could have pulled off BOTH towers AND the pentagon without resistance, but that is just me. The Sec. of Transportation said very intersting things about Cheney’s behavior that morning and i think the ideology of Zionism/Leo Strauss/Trotsky, etc. drove that particular event.
Flase Flags are real and when one looks at any of the other war starters in the history of the US it is clear that we provoke people to attack us and when they do we claim that they are crazy and hate us for illogical reasons.
Whether or not we planned it is moot. We trained the organization, funded them, gave them leadership and direction and they turned around and did that. Look up Sibel Edmund’s testimoy it was left out of the 9/11 commision, obviously, and is only referenced ONCE as a footnote and it says that her testimony was classified. She was a translator for the FBI in turkey, i think, and said that the CIA and others in the intelligence community were in communicatio**n with bin Laden up until 9/11. She has had the Executive Gag Order placed on her twice. So there might be credibility there.
9/11 commision was itself a cover up. Look at who was on it.
to k- stigs:
many of those most adamant that planes hit the second tower were employed by the msm. others were less sure, and some were sure there were no planes (embarrassing the fox narrative)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq1-BCeNcm0
fortunately, fox had some more cooperative witnesses to put out the “correct” version.
no shit man. people who deny the planes hit it are making it harder for the actual second look at it to become reasonable. Ask what hit the pentagon. That is more reasonable as they HAVE to have security footage from somewhere. Why won’t the FBI release it?
Lol, there were no planes… Come on folks, scoop your brains back into your head. It’s a simpler hypothesis to believe that the planes were indeed hijacked and flown into the towers, but they were just a foil to disguise the actual cause of the collapses, which admittedly do not look like they could have been due to the plane collisions, given a fair and objective viewing of the evidence. Didn’t the leaseholder of the site admit at one point that WTC7, at least, was brought down with demolition explosives? What else could bring buildings down so perfectly into their own footprints?
Whatever hit the Pentagon might well have been something other than a plane, but then God knows what actually happened to that flight…
Would it be so unrealistic to imagine that the elevator shafts and, indeed, whole floors of the WTC twin towers were kept closed off to the public for months prior to 9/11? You know that the elevators were being revamped in the months prior, and that there was A LOT of unoccupied space in the towers at the time, right? You know that the WTC was tremendously unprofitable for its owner - the Port Authority of New York/Jersey - and that the leaseholder collected a monstrously profitable insurance payout, and that he had already negotiated the contract to rebuild on the site in case of something like this happening? Very strange.
It’s not that difficult to imagine. They wouldn’t have to be that clever. No one wants to countenance the possibility that the official story isn’t true.
How do you know the Twin Towers even fell? It was all faked … They’re still up there. It was part of the Bush Elders of Zion conspiracy …
How is what I have said anymore arbitrary that what you said … one is crazy, and the other is given respect!
to cal engime:
the naudets, or whatever they are really called, are insiders. have a think about the odds of getting the money shot.
http://www.frankresearch.info/Naudet911/JULES%20NAUDET%20Home%20Page.htm
If you think hundreds of engineers, secret agents, and false witnesses collaborated to pull off the crime of the century against their own country, and no Deep Throat or Daniel Ellsberg has taken it upon himself to expose the plot, your opinion of what is or is not likely is irrelevant to me.
operation northwoods. no one spoke.
what about actually addressing the accusations moved against the naudets instead of dodging?
again, it is obvious there were “deep” connections that all would have worked together to pull it off, but i doubt that there were no planes. There could have been bombs on the planes or in the elevator shafts i have heard they were closed and ‘worked on’ up to the weekend before the event. This simple fact that the military was running all of the drills that ‘prevented a proper air response’ should be proof enough. My ASS that ALL of our resources were tied up including RADIOS and RADAR. How much vulnerability does the military leave us in when they are off doing drills (PRETTY MUCH ALL THE TIME). But only here at home. Those Iraqis and Libyans ,etc. are all safe…oh…wait.
Focus on what hit the pentagon. honestly, best guess is that it was an actual fighter jet that dropped a missle or possibly (I cannot remember the name of the missle that looks like a jet; it is remote controlled i think as well) from Boeing. Might not have been a US aircraft either. Russia had drills that day at the north pole that they supposedly ‘called off’ in response to the attacks in NY.
EDIT i read the French photographer thing. don’t buy it.
"I am not giving up the Naudet story because of something as ridiculous as salving other folks’ wounded pride. Or because of the efforts of deliberate disinformationists : and it would be stretching credulity to imagine the folk behind something like 9/11 (or Dallas) didn’t have their time-wasters already planted all over the opposition, before the event even happened — they would have to be incredibly stupid not to do that, running the information war on both sides. How many of the best-known names in the 9/11 field are fakes, working for the ones who planned it ? Or is the right question “How many are genuine ?” This writer is — but then, I would say that, wouldn’t I ?"
Dude, this is a classic discredation of the credit technique. Don’t fall for this shit. Just imagine if you were talking to a cop and he was telling you he was on your side by calling the real deals fake and then saying that same thing This writer is — but then, I would say that, wouldn’t I ?
That guy is a useful idiot he spread MISinformation not DISinformation though. And i think he is a douche for writing this, “As for those aware of the Naudet story, but who have chosen to reject it or ignore it, I promise you now you will come back to it, and you will finally listen to it, when you find your own methods and ideas are going nowhere, and have achieved nothing since 2001”
I think that because he defined “achiev[ment]” as follows, “if achievement means movement towards a prosecution, or getting the media to address the subject seriously, or just stop lying about it.”
and then proceeds immediately to say, "I see no evidence of any of that "
See? He is talking about himself the whole time. He’s a loon man. don’t fall for it. Not one mention of the corporations that had the technology to do it.
The video was more or less a coincidence.
You realize that the twin towers always were symbolic and a lot of movies and photos have them in the backdrop. He may have been facing west cause it was in the morning and was taking into account the suns glare on the lense or taking advantage of shadows. Who knows how long he was planning on shooting that day. Saying that it was not al queda doesn’t prove that this guy knew it was coming either man. I’m sure many people in here do not think it was al queda (or an organic action of the group) but we can only speculate as to the perpetrators.
My guess is pretty much all of the corporations represented by the people on the 9/11 commision, Insurance frauds, and bank frauds. The traditional Military/Industrial complex. Used convienently by the Neocons (and possibly aided by them and their intelligence connections around the world)
Did the devs of the game Deus Ex know about 9/11 the year prior? They edited the towers out of the background (they were there) allegedly for page script memory issues…DUN DUN DUN
Why would the Eldest Rothschild and his fine ass wife film it? They had a top floor hotel balcony a safe distance away and had the luxury of watching it all in real time.
Op Northwoods was only signed off on and theorized by the Joint Chiefs. Very high up military and it was obviously TOP SECRET. and wasn’t declassifed until i think 1992. SO it’s realistic that no one spoke out. and the sailors at the gulf of tonkin were immediately stationed away from each other after that incident. So as to make sure they could not communicate with each other easily.
Why do libertarians indulge in this crazy chomskian fiction?
How can libertarians deride chomsky on economics, and then stand in solidarity with him when he makes equally stupid remarks against the US gov.
The libertarian obsession with the 9/11 conspiracy is embrassing …
Just because a person is wrong about X does not mean that he is wrong about Y…
Fox McCloud, I agree. It seems more like reckless endangerment on part of the government.
Also, never thought I’d see a furry here. Usually you guys are hardcore leftist statists. Good to see one that’s not. 
9/11 is filled with funny-business from top to bottom. You have to squeeze your eyes shut and bury your head in the sand not to see this.
There are two problems with the official story that stand out above all the myriad other problems.
- WTC7:
It wasn’t hit by aircraft. It sustained no damage to its core columns. It experienced widespred and unevenly distributed office fires yet managed to collapse perfectly symmetrically. Here’s a steel building of roughly the same height as WTC7 fully engulfed in fire:
It didn’t collapse.
- Failure to intercept the hijacked planes
The official story profusely equivocates on the policies and practices of the relevant agencies (air traffic control, FAA, NORAD, etc.) but the timings for fighter jet scrambling are (and were) extremely tight - FAA contacts the chain of command within a minute or two of unusual behavior (complete loss of radio contact, transponder going off, etc.) and fighter jets scramble in under 5 minutes. Yet a hijacked plane struck the military’s headquarters a full 51 minutes after the first plane slammed into WTC1 and 34 minutes after the second plane slammed into WTC2 on national television.
Better safe than sorry is (and was at the time) the operational principle. Fighter jets were scrambled more than 60 times in just the year prior to 9/11. It’s better to have a fighter in the air and not need it than vice-versa. Yet we’re supposed to believe that everybody magically got all confused all at the same time and “simply failed” to intercept the hijacked aircraft due to a long list of just-so reasons. The “fog of war” and “ongoing hijacking exercises” excuses don’t go very far.
These two big hairy warts in the pack of lies are enough to blow open the doors of skepticism… the rest is just details.
Clayton -
yeah, better to believe in fairy tales than accept reality. Like always, nuts disable comments on their videos. It’s like a first sign of quackery.
I don’t thnik Chomsky buys 9/11 being anyone, but al qeada. He willingly says that governments embrace tragedy in order to expand power, but will never implicate anyone “on the good guy team” as having anything to do with it.
Chomsky grew up in the Depression, his family benefitted from FDR’s redistribution that is why he sucks on economics. He refuses to buy the “free enterprise” lies because redistribution hepled him personally.
But calling out the Western governments for being murderers and criminals and warmongerers is his thing. He is pretty good at it.
aside from that. Denial is the first sign of cognitive dissonance.
those who believe in media fakery and doctored images sure are crazy. the box never lies willfully.
http://tv.yahoo.com/blog/sharpeyed-viewers-catch-master-chef-faking-a-huge-crowd--3229
Nice catch. And this : Japanese Pop Star Not Real, Computer Composite
With regards to 9/11 , the most interesting research concerning the possible fakery of individual 9/11 victims [called “vicsims”] is being done at two sites. One is the “September Clues” Site. [click on link, click on “ENTER SITE” at top-centre of page, then click on top right link of next page to main articles named " The Memorial Scams", which serves as an excellent introduction to the whole subject of 9/11 victim fakery.
The other site worth mentioning on this subject is Steve Warrans blog. [This person has also done a lot of investigation into the actual occupancy levels of the towers on 9/11. Not surprisingly to you and I perhaps, his findings to date point to the towers having far lower occupancy levels than we are officially told.]
Regards, onebornfree.