A new take on Argumentation Ethics

I know Hoppe’s argumentation ethics is old news that has been mostly cast aside, but I think too often critics dismiss the entire concept rather than adopt and adapt the idea into a meaningful theory. One reason for this might be that there are very few individuals sympathetic to Hoppe’s thesis who don’t already view it as sound, especially in comparison to the natural rights position. Another might be that Hoppe’s critics are either unaware or unwilling to ask “how can this work in light of my criticism?” - though very few critics ever ask this question. My hope, then, is to demonstrate that the structure of argumentation ethics is fundamentally sound when treated in the right context.

The structure of argumentation ethics relies on two concepts: that there are norms which must be logically presupposed in the course of an argument and that arguing against these norms results on a performative contradiction. David Gordon wisely suggests that one “consider exactly what Hoppe means by argumentation,” which seems to be the starting place which is often passed over. Obviously Hoppe doesn’t mean argument in every sense which we might use the term – shouting matches and bar fights don’t apply – he means the process of proposition making between two or more individuals with the goal of not only conveying meaning but also reaching a conclusion based on the epistemological standards set for topic. By this I mean that an argument in mathematics relies on a different set of standards than one in political science or literary criticism.

Understanding exactly what is meant by argumentation sets the stage for the introduction of a number of normative concepts. So long as one is arguing, we can quite reasonably say that there are things that one ought and ought not to do because they are necessary components of argumentation. On this point, I differ from Hoppe who believes that these norms gain their “ought-ness” from a sort of impossibility proof arising out of the performative contradiction. Either way, these norms roughly encompass libertarian ethics on a scaled down level – self ownership, Lockean homesteading and non-aggression.

I don’t want to spend much time going over these norms specifically because my argument isn’t dependent on what form the norms take, only that some norms exist. I don’t think that the libertarian norms put forth by Hoppe are too disagreeable on their own, that is, few people would disagree that it’s permissible, during an argument, to aggress against their opponent or deny them the ability to use their own body, or to assume some structure of property which would make it wrong or illegal for one actor to occupy the space that they do.

The big questions then, given the existence of “the a priori of argumentation,” are: how does a performative contradiction arise, what is the nature of such a contradiction, and why does it matter? Before directly addressing those questions, we should think of argumentation as a type of game with all sorts of rules. In a game of chess you mustn’t move a bishop laterally because it’s simply against the rules to do so. Certainly you can try, and if you get away with it the move might be beneficial to your goal of winning, but that’s not how you play chess. Similarly, argumentation has rules that when broken, might give one party the advantage, but breaking those rules isn’t how you argue (for example, consider any number of formal or informal fallacies).

Adam Knott rightfully points out that a performative contradiction isn’t a real contradiction because contradictions can never actually exist in nature. After all, we are all familiar with the principle of non-contradiction. Knott says “When person A says aloud “I am not talking,” person A could be lying (though perhaps badly), or joking, or intending to mean that he was not the one who has been talking, or practicing for a play, or listening to the sound of his own voice, etc.“ While lying, joking, practicing for a play, or just vocalizing whatever comes to mind are certainly ways of meaning “I am not talking,” those things are outside the scope of what is being done in an argument. If two men were talking back and forth, one only speaking in lies and the other rehearsing lines from a play, would we call that an argument? We might, but that’s not what Hoppe is talking about. What Hoppe calls a performative contradiction is actually either an attempt to argue from outside an argument or break the rules of the game without being caught.

So why does this matter? What does this prove? Well, it shouldn’t be taken as a proof of libertarian ethics or as a persuasive device. It certainly doesn’t stop anyone from adhering to or even advocating a non-libertarian ethic. What argumentation ethics does, I think, is highlight the deep connection between what gets said and the act of saying it, and shows that this connection can place limits on meaning.

  1. correct there are no contradictions in nature, which ought to lead one to be weary of AE anyway

  2. I don’t think the argumenttion side matters, as much as the “ethics” side matters. If one denies ethics, and perhaps even norm, the entire thing is moot.

A quick rethink:

Perhaps AE can be used as an argumentative tool to show the fallacy of other ethical and normative theories of anyone else - showing the amoral and perhaps somewhat consequentialist and libertine/ eudamonic nature of the civilized order of social beings.

It could sort of be saying “we took a step back, and see the picture of the mosaic , here it is…this is in part why you speak what you speak is nonsense.”

“If you’re interested in being on the right side of disputes, you will refute your opponents’ arguments. But if you’re interested in producing truth, you will fix your opponents’ arguments for them. To win, you must fight not only the creature you encounter; you must fight the most horrible thing that can be constructed from its corpse.”
Black Belt Bayesian

I agree it’s always a good idea to fix other’s arguments for them. However, fixing Hoppe’s argumentation ethics simply results in the old “You hypocrit!” claim. And calling someone a hypocrit is actually pretty effective. People do not want to be seen as inconsistent. I remember in 4th grade this was a big thing.

Your second post is much closer to what I think AE is good for. It doesn’t necessarily establish anything, and it certainly doesn’t prove libertarian ethics, but it does kind of say “if you are going to argue about ethics you need to argue properly, and depending on what ethical theory you subscribe to, you might be in a position where your arguments just can’t be made properly.”

I think this parallels stuff like Mises’ Regression Theorem - you can’t point to something that predates barter and call it money because the regression theorem is contained in the concept of money. Likewise, you can’t deny preconditions of argument through argument because the acceptance of those conditions is contained in what it means to argue.

(EDIT) AJ, I missed your post so I’ll tack a quick response to this one. I’d like to think there’s more to it than “you hypocrite,” but maybe its just calling someone a hypocrite wrapped up in some fancy ideas and I’m finding it more profound than it really is. Also, calling someone a hypocrite in 4th grade is a VERY big deal, just cuz. I’m ok with “just cuz” sort of justifications because they probably reflect the assumptions we all use better than Reason with a capital R.

OK that may be starting to make sense to me than. It might be able to be reworked somehow, someway.

I would get rid of calling it an ethical theory though. Not only do I not think it really is ethics, calling something ethics is like waving a red flag in front of an opponents eyes - it will only make them dig their heels in deeper if they disagree with your sentiments. Not only that, I don’t think people take ethics all that seriously - even if they say they do.

I agree that saying “ethics” is essentially throwing off the gloves, but its funny how that only happens when we talk about it in the abstract. Like, in the workplace, no one throws a fit when they have to a review an ethics handbook. And when my boss says “dont do that, its unethical” she doesn’t mean that its merely against the rule, but she also doesn’t mean it as a categorical imperative. So long as its in context, it means exactly what ethicists make it mean: its wrong. I think also there are some terms, like “rape,” that just can’t be seperated from their ethical baggage. You’ve addressed a similar notion before.

This has nothing to do with AE by the way, just a side thought.

Right. I don’t want to get too much into this, as it goes a bit beyond the scope of what I want to say for this site; but yeah, if ethics are “to be” it is in a sense that simply doesn’t hit the way most philosophical or any scientific or logical frame work will cover. It’s just simply beyond the scope of political theory or any sociological science (or philosophy) to talk about in a meaningful universal way.

And I think there is something almost intuitve in peoples mind that goes off when something like that gets inserted. Where as your work ethic, or whatever is something practicle and applicable to your existential routine/habit/etc it isn’t some abstract imperative or idea - it’s an extant practice that exists “as such”, or “in practice” - not the category that most philosophers or political theorists are trying to get you into going.

And yeah, I guess a term like “rape” denotes a kind “living judicial practice” - and the only way it can really be talked about “universally” is in a type of legal positivism.

And frankly, I think ethics is taught and discussed in such a piss poor haphazard manner in schools it can confound the situation even more when people discuss them.

I don’t know what you mean by cast aside, but from your post I see you have some misconceptions about it. Many scholers accept Arguementation Ethics in it’s correct formulation.

I’ve written an introduction I hope you’ll find useful: http://argumentationethics.wordpress.com/2011/12/25/argumentation-ethics/ .

I don’t have misconceptions, I just flat out disagree with with what conclusions can be drawn from the a priori of argumentation. I highly doubt many scholars take Hoppe seriously at all, never mind argumentation ethics in particular, unless by many you mean many associated with austro-libertarianism.

You do have misconceptions. You forgot that the context is conflict resulotion. In the context of conflict resolution only the NAP can be justified in discourse.

“unless by many you mean many associated with austro-libertarianism.”

I did meant that, actually.