Argumentation Ethics

Thoughts? (On AE)

http://www.hanshoppe.com/publications/Soc&Cap7.pdf

http://www.hanshoppe.com/publications/econ-ethics-10.pdf

http://www.hanshoppe.com/publications/hoppe_ch6_econ_to_ethics.pdf

Van Dun:

http://www.stephankinsella.com/texts/vandun_philosophy_argument.pdf

Kinsella:

http://mises.org/daily/2291 (This is very good)

http://www.stephankinsella.com/publications/kinsella_punishment-loyola.pdf

http://mises.org/journals/jls/12_2/12_2_5.pdf (Good introduction)

http://www.stephankinsella.com/publications/kinsella_hoppe_econ-ethics-review.pdf

Others:

http://www.stephankinsella.com/texts/apel_discourse.pdf (Apel)

http://www.stephankinsella.com/texts/gewirth_reply.pdf (Gewirth)

http://www.stephankinsella.com/texts/pilon_theory_rights.pdf

http://www.stephankinsella.com/texts/madison_logic.pdf (Madison)

Nope.

links plz. i know some of the premises, and its conclustions, but need some more literature

Is that a “nope I don’t buy it” or a “nope, no thoughts”?

From Hoppe himself:

http://www.hanshoppe.com/publications/Soc&Cap7.pdf

http://www.hanshoppe.com/publications/econ-ethics-10.pdf

http://www.hanshoppe.com/publications/hoppe_ch6_econ_to_ethics.pdf

Van Dun:

http://www.stephankinsella.com/texts/vandun_philosophy_argument.pdf

Kinsella:

http://mises.org/daily/2291 (This is very good)

http://www.stephankinsella.com/publications/kinsella_punishment-loyola.pdf

http://mises.org/journals/jls/12_2/12_2_5.pdf (Good introduction)

http://www.stephankinsella.com/publications/kinsella_hoppe_econ-ethics-review.pdf

Others:

http://www.stephankinsella.com/texts/apel_discourse.pdf (Apel)

http://www.stephankinsella.com/texts/gewirth_reply.pdf (Gewirth)

http://www.stephankinsella.com/texts/pilon_theory_rights.pdf

http://www.stephankinsella.com/texts/madison_logic.pdf (Madison)

Nope, no thoughts. Thanks for the links.

Yes, I have many.

Oh, you wanted thoughs about argumentation ethics. Well, that’s different then. I think it fits well with the aprioristic nature of praxeology.

Wasn’t there a gigantic thread on this already?

But does it hold water?

Yes.

It applies the same axiomatic deductive used in Austrian economics to ethics. It procedes from the self-evident truth of the apriori of argumentation and derives all other ethical principles from it. It’s totally solid.

But how does my arguing show anything other than control over my own body, which is different from ownership of.

How is it that you have obtained control? Homesteading. Who is doing the thinking for the arguing? You are. You’re an integrated whole of mind and body. Because wherever you go, there you are.

Understand?

perhaps talking shows that you have control,whereas arguing is talking and presupposing that the person you are talking to has rights.hoppe does not call his theory ‘talking ethics’, or ‘manipulation of other people ethics’, but discource/argumentation ethics.

Right, but all that shows is that I have control over my body, it doesn’t show that I have ownership of it. The former is an “is” statement, the latter is an ought, morever Hoppe does not demonstrate why one ought to act in a certain manner.

I know Hoppe’s argument, and I’m still on fence in regards to it, although from what I’ve read I prefer Frank van Dun’s exposition of the argument.

which of his 3 links do you recommend i read?

They’re all good, and relatively short, the Reason Paper’s one is quite good though.

Nonsense. You control yourself by your direct actions over yourself and by what you do. Homesteading.

Ah yes: the Humean nonsense.

Right, but I don’t have any right to do that, at least, I’m not sure AE demonstrates why I have such a right.

Well, Hoppe states that he wishes to remain within purely “is” statements, but it appears to me that doing so seems problematic since he cannot advise an individual to act in a certain manner, which seems problematic for any ethic. Once again, I think Frank van Dun is on better ground with this issue.