Changing the GOP from the inside

[John_James]

@vive la insurrection

We are looking at this from the sidelines: that is to say, we aren’t really managing and using the hard resources to calculate what needs to be done. i.e: we aren’t the “entrepreurs” in the RP campaign. We can only say and think so much .

Be that as it may, I don’t see what the RP campaign has to do with the point of the OP.

• If one can work within the Republican Party to achieve success, why not? The system is more set up for the 2 main parties, who have way more resources at their disposal than any other option. If the situation is doable to run Republican one should take the path of least resistince and make their campaign, exposure, and electability that much easier.

Bingo.

If Ron Paul doesn’t get the RP nomination: I’m holding off on this response because I don’t know your position as the links are temporarily down

They seem to be working now, but again, I’m not sure what the RP campaign has to do with the point of the OP of this thread.

@vive la insurrection

When there is political dissention within political parties, third parties have been effective “squeaky wheels”

Define “effective”, and if you can, provide some specific examples of these times when this has occured.

Sometimes splits may be inevitable if an idea / goal wants to survive. This may be the best and most feasible time to do it.

I don’t see what you’re getting at here.

1. The libertarian message hasn’t been a part of the Republican platform since…well, ever. I don’t understand where you’re getting the idea that they are the same, and thus requiring a “split”.

1.1) An obvious case in this point being the constant effort to marginalize Ron Paul (and his supporters) and paint him and them as “not really Republicans”. See here, and here. If you’d like other examples of this, I’m sure I could find them.

2. The idea / goal doesn’t seem to be having any trouble “surviving” in its current state. To the contrary, I think it could easily be argued it is thriving. Again, as can be seen by the literal double and tripling of Ron Paul’s numbers from just four years ago.

With the political system in turmoil, there is no reason not to treat him and out current circumstances as a unique phenomena without precedence. If the situation allows for him to run a third party with the name “liberterian” on it - that may be the biggest boon liberterians can ask for to create a an unprecedented voice in US politics.

Again, this is basically what was discussed (at length) in that other thread. Starting at about here you’ll find a pretty lengthy discussion (as well as some pretty salient articles) pointing out what I see as the fallacy behind that conclusion.