It would cut the fat. Plus, I think people would survive on the whole. Humanity has survived millenia as far as we know, and there’s no reason to think the majority of people would drop off.
Hunting and gathering is just the natural state of humans. I would much rather hunt and gather my food supply than buy anything from the supermarket since I have no idea what state-subsidized big agra is putting in the food these days and I simply can’t trust the FDA at all.
Hunting and gathering is just the natural state of humans.
By the same line of reasoning, living in trees and being a different species is the natural state of human beings. Just because it came first and then changed, it doesn’t mean it’s the “natural” state of human beings.
Domestication of plants and animals could be considered completely natural.
do you want helpless children to DIE?
do you want helpless children to DIE?
I have no obligation to those children unless I voluntarily agree to it.
The political philosophy of individualism has zero to do with unnaturally cutting yourself off from society. Humans are social creatures; you out in the woods by choice is not being an individualist, it’s being a hermit. It’s a hobby, not a political stance, nor even a naturalistic one.
Rather than relying strictly on foraging and hunting, perhaps you can hedge your bet a little:
Survival Potatoes - I would also do some “guerilla planting” of these in any available space.
Survival Kale - Great self-seeding leafy green vegetable. Any of the “brassicas” can be emergency food.
As other poster have stated, “rugged individualism” is just hermitude. What is the point of surviving all alone? Definitely need to get yourself a tribe.
Rather than relying strictly on foraging and hunting, perhaps you can hedge your bet a little:
Survival Potatoes - I would also do some “guerilla planting” of these in any available space.
Survival Kale - Great self-seeding leafy green vegetable. Any of the “brassicas” can be emergency food.
As other poster have stated, “rugged individualism” is just hermitude. What is the point of surviving all alone? Definitely need to get yourself a tribe.
Thanks for this. Although I’d need to be 100% certain that those seeds are non-GMO. I’m trying to avoid ag b/c ag was the root of the state and eat a diet consisting of 100% raw wild plants and sometimes raw milk. No meat, no gluten, no grains, just wild, natural and raw veggies, fruits and nuts.
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Although I’d need to be 100% certain that those seeds are non-GMO.
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There are plenty of organic heirloom seed companies to choose from. Some I’ve used in the past:
Southern Exposure Seed Exchange
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I’m trying to avoid ag b/c ag was the root of the state
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Along with deception, ignorance, and superstition. There are examples of semi-agricultural “stateless” (depends how you are defining it) cultures
Also, “agriculture” does not necessarily consist of plowing, planting, weeding, etc. Edible landscapes can be designed that are self-sustaining, requiring little to no human intervention:
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eat a diet consisting of 100% raw wild plants and sometimes raw milk. No meat, no gluten, no grains, just wild, natural and raw veggies, fruits and nuts.
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What about eggs?
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I’m trying to avoid ag b/c ag was the root of the state
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Along with deception, ignorance, and superstition. There are examples of semi-agricultural “stateless” (depends how you are defining it) cultures
The whole point of the state was to manage ag. That’s how it came into being. Those cultures you showed me were not fully agricultural.
What about eggs?
I’m split on eggs. Ever read The China Study? I get most of my data about animal products from that. Eating animals seems illogical.
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Freedom4Me73986,
The whole point of the state is to exploit productive members of society. It is fundamentally fraud. Whether or not those surplus producers are farmers.
I haven’t read The China Study, but I have heard of it. How is eating animals illogical? If it is from a sort of “caloric efficiency”, I do agree that killing and eating animals is typically less efficient than growing crops, but the renewable animal foods (milk, eggs, blood) are extremely efficient food sources, since animals are able to process non food calories (grass, shrubs, bugs, etc.) into food calories for humans.
My father and I are looking into attaining maximum efficiency with minimal inputs for animal food production. Pigs and chickens seem like very good candidates in our climate (temperate decidious forest). One farmer has spent a good deal of effort on working through some of the more holistic livestock management systems.
Also, those Chinese people in the study were certainly sedentary farmers. Their land management system was documented in great detail in the book Farmers of Forty Centuries. Big into organic matter recycling.
Freedom4Me73986,
The whole point of the state is to exploit productive members of society. It is fundamentally fraud. Whether or not those surplus producers are farmers.
Where did you learn your history of how the state came into being?
The state had nothing to do with the origin of agriculture. Evidence of agriculture precedes any evidence for a centralised state by literally thousands of years. States historically arose in agricultural and pastoral areas only because they could confiscate goods from their subjects without the result of societal collapse (via emigration, starvation, revolution etc.). This was only possible due to the increased capital accumulation of their subjects compared to hunter-gatherers. There is no support in theory or in history for the state playing a role in the origin of agriculture.
My personal personal favorite stateless agrarian site:
The collusion of the first temple/grainary priests and ambitious chiefs/warlords created “the state” as we know it. Of course, you could trace it all the way back to the rise of the patriarchial nuclear family if you wanted.
“Booze has very little survival value tho. It’s better to find water before beer.”
Nope. Not even true.
Why do you think drinks like tea that involve boiling water and beer which involved distilling or fermenting even exist? Its because it’s incredibly hard to find drinkable water that isn’t filled with bacteria. Brewing is a way of drinking something without having to worry about the purification process, and its pretty easy (and doesn’t taste like horse).
Yeah good luck enjoying that with wild yeast and lots of infection (brewing infection, not an actual medical infection) that you get without proper care and sanitzing, ha. Your cider/beer will taste like a horse blanket.
False idea the government has been feeding you. I do not mean to sound like a health nut (and I am quite hesitant to react when someone says that the government willingly lies to us about food safety (besides big food interests, of course)), but my family has made apple cider completely naturally without any chemicals or special equipment and we’ve not gotten sick of it (it is slightly alcoholic and I’m sure it can be increased in alcohol level).
Furthermore, my parents make wine themselves. I don’t see where you get the idea of that many infections from.
it’s incredibly hard to find drinkable water that isn’t filled with bacteria
All water has bacteria. Period. Now, are those bacteria bad? Not all of them. My parents will soon start getting water from a spring, and people in Bulgaria do this all the time as well. I agree that boiling water or drinking alcohol increases chances of no infection, but I doubt that safe water is that scarce.
It’s the popular account of why these drinks show up. If the water near by is undrinkable, you boil it or brew. shrug
Considering that civ is supposedly collapsing on itself, goldbricks shouldn’t be counting on clean water.
Capitalists who want to be survivialists…now there is a contradiction.
I welcome the market. I love it. I welcome civilization, it allows me to specialize into a field that I desire to be in.
“Capitalists who want to be survivialists…now there is a contradiction.”
Exactly what I’ve been thinking about it. All the post-civ folks I know are concerned with finding a tribe, not living by themselves and collecting gold in the hopes of being some post-civ king of trade.