No one will touch my natural resources if those resources are MY private property. I would think after civ collapses private property will still exist as it always has, so all I need to do is use some of my gold and silver to buy up parts of the woods where I’ll hunt and gather my food supply. Good enough?
I’m sure a starving mob will totally respect your property rights because thier morals are just THAT strong. They’ll wait quietly at your property lines, respecting your “No trespassing” signs, while they continue to die of malnutrition.
As a natural right, property rights may still exist as a concept, but the enforcement of those rights is next to impossible without the division of labor, and the surplus it brings to allow people to 1.) have enough to eat and 2.) hire and support other industries or trades, like defense and arbitration.
LogisticEarth handled this well, the only thing I have to add is that you seem to be ignoring reality. How else would you say things like “No one will touch my natural resources if those resources are MY private property” where do you get this idea? There are multiple competing groups in society today who subsist directly from wrongfully appropriating private property. When things get worse, this process will accelerate, not disappear.
I’m sure a starving mob will totally respect your property rights because thier morals are just THAT strong. They’ll wait quietly at your property lines, respecting your “No trespassing” signs, while they continue to die of malnutrition.
So your denying the NAP?
As a natural right, property rights may still exist as a concept, but the enforcement of those rights is next to impossible without the division of labor, and the surplus it brings to allow people to 1.) have enough to eat and 2.) hire and support other industries or trades, like defense and arbitration.
If people are starving I will voluntarily let them hunt and gather on my land for a sum of gold and/or silver. Problem solved.
No one has suggested that the starving mob is libertarian. Do you deny the existence of aggressors on planet earth?
If a mob tries to take my property I will use my guns. What they’d be doing is a clear act of aggression I have every right to defend myself and my property against. Hungry mobs are just the state in a different form.
That is an optimistic scenario (with regard to your continued survival) considering the number of people in the united states today and the difficulty of resupply out in the boondocks. However I commend your committment to self-reliance and individual sovereignty in the face of near-certain death.
It doesn’t matter anyway. Civ is going to collapse. It is inevitable knowing the way the world is going. I would also predict a mass population decline done by the state (see infowars if you want reference) and right afterwards I’m sure the state will become the most tyrannical its ever been right before the civ collapse. That’s why I’m taking up primitivist survivalist measures.
And I’m 100% sure the gov. of NH (esp. after NH secedes and becomes the closest thing possible to a voluntary, peaceful society) won’t come after people after civ starts to go downhill in the same manner as other governments.
We know civ will collapse. It’s a ‘when’ no longer an ‘if’. What we need to do now is learn the skills to help us in a postciv world like using gold as currency, H/G skills, knowing where to find clean chemical-free water and natural parenting.
No “we” do not all know civilization will collapse, stop reinforcing your own bias with that bandwagon fallacy (and false one at that).
I think we should just let this one go guys. Freedom, you’re just recycling the same empty points over and over again. Good luck to you, my advice is to invest in some No-Doze so you don’t get robbed in your sleep.
Without surplus. or course states could not exist. That doesn’t necessarily mean that agriculture will inevitably lead to states. Hunting and gathering efficiently enough to sustain a positive caloric balance, especially in a temperate climate is a pretty tall order. Look into rudimentary intentional planting, at least. Not only can you have some emergency provisions, but your semi-feral stands would also attract many prey species.