I found this place, only because of lewrockwell.com. And I found that incredibly resourceful place only because of a post on prison planet forums.
I assume most people on here have heard of Alex Jones and the New World Order?
I say this because Alex jones essentially talks about going back to a limited government in a libertarian-esque sense only instead of government failures by incompetence, he speaks of them “by design”.
911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!
Eh, I wouldn’t say the 9/11 was a false flag. A “Pearl Harbor”, perhaps, but I doubt that the US government had any active part to play in it.
I find it funny that people who believe in limited government and the inefficiency of government actually think that the government was able to pull off a massive con job like blowing up four buildings and making people think it was because of three planes.
actually there is evidence to suggest pearl harbor was a false flag.
As someone who used to be into conspiracy theories, 9/11, Alex Jones, etc. I’ll tell you this: the conspiracy theory path doesn’t go anywhere. It’s a dead end.
If you want to learn economics and political philosophy, don’t go to hacks like Alex Jones or G. Edward Griffin. Learn from professional economists and philosophers.
Walter Block’s stuff is very appealing to beginners. Check out his lectures and his archive on LRC.
Technically, a false flag is when an entity carries out a covert action while pretending to be another entity. Pearl Harbor wasn’t a false flag by that definition; the Japanese most certainly attacked Pearl Harbor. However, there is strong evidence to indicate that high-ranking officials in the US, up to and including President Roosevelt, knew about the attack before hand (“Huh. I wonder where those carriers and their escorts went? Oh well…”). It was allowed to give the US a pretense to declare war on Japan. It is also true that the attack was provoked by US embargoes and sanctions beforehand.
I’ve no idea. I’d only point out that it’s not outlandish, and, I would remark that arguments like “our government would never betray us” and “gov’t is too stupid to pull such a trick” can be safely dismissed, IMO.
Jones is way too kooky and hyperbolic for me. That’s not to say that conspiracy theories are never true (they often are), or that our government isn’t evil (it is), but he goes way, way overboard.
How is it funny? The more I learn about austrian economics, libertarianism, volunaryism, anarchism, etc. etc. etc, the less & less I become surprised of not only the stupidity of some of The State, but also the conniving audacity & persistent secrecy of some of The State as well.
I see it quite logical to assume that The State would most assuredly abuse it’s power, and not entirely out of stupidity, but also out of foresight & planning. T
They don’t call them Central Planners for nothing, ya know.
We’ve been here before:
I dont mean to bring up conspiracy thinking…
Each has their role to play.
“Everyone carries a part of society on his shoulders; no one is relieved of his share of responsibility by others. And no one can find a safe way out for himself if society is sweeping towards destruction. Therefore, everyone, in his own interests, must thrust himself vigorously into the intellectual battle. None can stand aside with unconcern; the interests of everyone hangs on the results. Whether he chooses or not, every man is drawn into the greatest historical struggle, the decisive battle into which our epoch has plunged us.” – Ludwig von Mises
They were able to keep the Manhattan Project secret for as long as they needed it to be, weren’t they?
There’s an amazing number of people who disbelieve the “official” story - and a frightening amount of evidence that points toward it being, at least in part, an inside job. There’s also not a bleedin’ thing anyone can do about it at this point.
Danno, wondering what the next Big Lie will be…
Not from the Soviets they weren`t.
Weren’t the Israeli’s expecting 9/11?
I don’t caim to answers but do you really believe this building collapsed from fire?
This kind of stuff is, frankly, embarrassing. “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”-type embarrassing.
Yes, indeed, it is.
Isn’t it interesting, that the word ‘conspiracy’ is all one needs to use to discredit an investigation? The majority of people will automatically dismiss anything labeled ‘conspiracy theory’ without even bothering to examine the evidence.
Of course, we’re above that, here - we know that the Fed was created at a secret conference at Jekyll Island. Tell anyone that it was a conspiracy of bankers, and they’ll know you’re a nutcase that must be ignored, regardless of the facts you can present.
If you can get past the near-automatic reaction to ignore such things, you can learn some interesting things - but first, you’ve got to get over the embarrassment, and that’s not an easy thing to do.
Danno, long accustomed to bein’ embarrassed.
I suggest everyone read Rothbard’s Conspiracy Theory of History. It’s a pretty short piece and can be found here.
I hate conspiracy theories because they do nothing to advance the cause of individual liberty, which is what I thought the Austrian school could teach America. The 9/11 “Truth Movement” has been debunked a long time ago, it was blowback from invading the Middle-East in the Gulf War.
Oddly enough, I’d always thought that an understanding of the world was important in the quest for freedom. Nobody was ever enslaved by way of access to reliable information.
That’ll be your little secret, I guess.
Danno, wavering between amusement and disgust.
