Well, I am not worried about a push that is sentanced to fail.
Well, you have the opportunity to expand on it to make it fit now. I would be particularly interested in an explanation of the behavior of POTUS on the day. If they knew about it in advance, why did they not plan for him to behave in such a way that would make him look good? He is a politician, I would expect that to have been the first thing on his mind. Instead after the news broke he boarded a plane and hidd in an undisclosed NORAD location. As you will remember he was heavily criticised for this, for not stepping up as the leader the nation needed on the day. You will remember it took him three days to in the eyes of the media and most of the public fulfill this role with the so called ground zero speech.
Maybe so that he looks like an idiot and he acts like one for the rest of his administration, so that people dismiss his oppression and tyranny as stupid and not evil.
Or maybe he was left in the dark? Who knows and more importantly who cares? Cheney and Bush were interviewed NOT under oath and TOGETHER… I’m not saying I all have the answers, I’m saying - if you believe the official story and persist to try defend it - you need your head checked.
Well, read any other source, and you’ll see a broader picture. Llew too much wants to see what he wants to see, and too much wants to sell books at the end of every single one of his articles on mises.org, for me to give him too much credibility on facts (although I admire how hard he wants it all to be good).
Your general conspiracy theory seems to be that there never existed any useful idiots and that every single human being is a pawn played by som overlords. Well, I think that planned conspiracy works as well as planned economy does on a large scale. Of the millions of hate-motivaded communists around in Germany 1933, it would be very unlikely to believe that not one single of them would pull through a terrorist act as van Lubbe did. As it would be unlikely to believe that no islamist fanatic sooner or later would pull through an even more spectacular attack than what others of the same kind had already pulled through several times (in Libanon, Yemen, hijacks whatever).
Do you really think that Hamaz is conspiring with Israel with the joint goal of destituting and devastating Gaza? No, the Hamas are simply stupid and act like usefull idiots for the Israeli hawks. Ordinary stupidity is so very much more likely than brilliantly secret intelligence in the pursuite of some hundered year plan for final world domination. Europe saw many hundereds of years of conspiracy between kings and emperors in order to achieve worlds domination. No one ever succeeded. It is that hard. Politics is (at least) as chaotic as economics is. Any politician or special interest agent is ready to betray any “cause” at any time, if he personally could earn a little more on being a traitor to that “cause” than a slave for it. Politics is total chaos where no one ever trusts anyone. Short sightedness is the only guideline. Any “planner” will immediately be cheated by everyone else and immediately destroyed. Long term planning requires reliable rule of law, but politicians stand above the law, they act only in unpredictable chaos and their only goal is self enrichment.
It ALWAYS was! Since ancient time. And it never happened. It is simply a rephrasing of the King becoming God. It is nothing but, at most, the phantasies of a sick mind. And actually, minds that sick never have a chance of getting close to real power. Only psychopats who are always ready to betray everything they have stood for and everyone they have worked with, are able to get that far. They are only interested in short term personal gratification. They’d sacrifice “the world” for a bit of more fun any time. There’s no master mind, only chaotic power struggle for short sighted ruthless individual purposes.
911 is rather a proof of the impossibility of organizing anything complicated. Even the CIA didn’t understand what was happening. Like the polite bureau of the Sovjets around 1990. They didn’t have a clue. Each and everyone of the individuals making up those organizations were only caring about saving their own ass short term by following others orders and avoiding responsibility by staying away from decisions. That’s how all bureaucracies work under stress.
Statist / socialist / pro empire Historians who know nothing about economics OR Historians who know Austrian economics / Austrian Economists engaging in revisionist (because its so bad & flawed) history.
Which do you choose?
You choose the former… [:|] I think in fact it is YOU who “wants to see what he wants to see” and not Lew et all.
And you then proceed to engage in your own conspiracy theory, haha… “Llew too much wants to see what he wants to see” " too much wants to sell books at the end of every single one of his articles on mises.org", as some kind of rebuttal, dismissal of the argument lol. Pay no attention to the fact that the entire mises.org just went open source. [8-)]
Second half of the post is now addressed to you too.
Also see Hiroshima and Nagasaki by Ralph Riaco, 100’000’s of innocent civilians killed due to the decision of a U.S President. For no real reason other than they wanted to see the bomb. And yet, knowing the Neo-Conservatives and what they believe under Leo Strauss, you don’t think it’s possible that 9/11 (with only 3,000) is plausible? You think they care about human life? Wow. [8-)] And they actually had an agenda, a plan = The Project for the New American Century.
Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:
• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;
• we need to accept responsibility for America’s unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.
Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush
Dick CheneyEliot A. CohenMidge DecterPaula DobrianskySteve Forbes
Aaron FriedbergFrancis FukuyamaFrank GaffneyFred C. Ikle
Donald KaganZalmay KhalilzadI. Lewis LibbyNorman Podhoretz
Dan QuaylePeter W. RodmanStephen P. RosenHenry S. Rowen
Donald RumsfeldVin WeberGeorge WeigelPaul Wolfowitz
Nice list of names there! All stand up individuals who would in no way be doing anything against the words they speak. I’d trust these guys. If they told me there were WMD’s I’d believe them. If they tell me it’s the Islamo Fascists, I’d believe them. No way these guys are immoral or would break the law! No way hoes-ay! [8-)]
It may seem to, but it doesn’t. Who says it’s large scale? The goal is, but not those involved. Trilateral commission, Bilderberg Meeting, Council on Foreign Relations. They are catered to the political and power elite, that’s hardly large scale.
There are factions, but it’s like the Mafia. They’re all at the table vs the other factions playing cards. But should anyone ever threaten their game, they all band together. It’s like Corleone V Gambino.
Essentially though, ‘economics’ is only chaotic, because politics as to who should run the State exists. I.e The need for the State, the voting, the elections, the ‘debates’, the justifications for State actions, Keynes, Marx etc.
Negative. See Mafia. You know, those who best replicate the State - “A band of thieves writ large.” There is a reason they call it a NEW world order. Because it’s different from the Old World order, lol. Ask yourself, what’s different about it? Maybe it’s possible this time? You haven’t been reading much of the news? Davos forum? The calls for a world central bank by French President Sarkozy, calls for a new fin. system from Gordon Brown? A restructuring of the world financial system? I’d tune into Ron Paul more then.
"The only question to be answered with right now is; what is it going to be replaced with?
Believe me they are working very hard to devise a new system. They are talking about an international fiat currency paper system, with the loss of US national sovereignty.
“We have to stop this move towards one world government and one world currency.”
The Drive for a World Central Bank by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
“Before I will explain why there is a drive towards a world bank.”
“Why is there a drive towards world government?”
“Because the drive to a world bank, can be best understood by an intermediary step in the underlining drive to world government.”
9/11 is small change. It kick started the War on Terror, the war on a tactic - that has no real enemy. The way I see it, 9/11 truthers waste alot of their time debating the details etc, just like the people still stuck up on JFK do. They get stuck in the past, when they should be in the present trying to affect and change the future. Ultimately someone is going to have profound cognitive dissonance or accept the notion that the government (some inside it) cannot be trusted. Less trust in the foreseeable overlords is good imo.
But as I’ve said previously, you really don’t need to talk about any of this. “New World Order” “Conspiracy” “Global Elite” “Trilateral Commission” etc. You can use all the words that are associated with ‘kooks’ and the ‘fringe’. Or you can understand Austrian Economics and destroy all your opponents positions that way. i.e Keynesians want a one world central bank with fiat paper. Instead of 'there is a global conspiracy to create a one world bank, so the political establishment can control the entire world’s money supply and which countries get what… One is less affronting and more open to acceptance. It ain’t hard. [:)]
How is 911 proof of the impossibly of organizing anything complicated? It was a great success imo. They got a justification to invade the Middle East. Kick start the War on Terror and do what they couldn’t do before. Take away the civil liberties of the American people more so, monitor them and continue the out right destruction of the U.S Consitution. Massive expansion of the State, money to the Military Industrial Complex, further bankruptcy of the US. The growth of Tyranny and control over the Individual in nearly all areas of life.
It takes more than plausibility for revisionism to be credible. Reichstag fire, Gleiwitz station, USS Maine, Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Tonkin Gulf, Srebrenica, Racak… In all these cases people challanging the official line did not build their case on plausibility alone but were able to showcase that their version fits better the facts avaliable than the government version.
Of course it is plausible that the US government knew about the attacks in advance but made a conscious decision to let them happen. It is just that there is no reason to belive this.
Officials Confirm French Spy Service Warned CIA of Al Qaeda Plot in Early 2001.
France’s foreign intelligence service learned as early as January 2001 that al Qaeda was preparing a hijacking plot likely to involve a U.S. airplane, former intelligence officials said Monday, confirming a report that also said the CIA received the warning.
Le Monde newspaper said it had obtained 328 pages of classified documents on Osama bin Laden’s terror network that were drawn up by the French spy service, the DGSE, between July 2000 and October 2001. The documents included a Jan. 5, 2001, intelligence report warning that al Qaeda was at work on a hijacking plot.
How the FBI Let 9/11 Happen
The smoldering gun was right there all the time.
The trial of September 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui provided definitive proof that the U.S. government missed some clear opportunities to stop the 9/11 attacks…
The March 20 testimony of the Minneapolis-based FBI agent Harry Samit buries the notion that 9/11 was unpreventable. Beginning with Moussaoui’s arrest on August 16, 2001, Samit mounted a global, indefatigable investigation of the man and concluded that an attack involving hijacked airplanes was imminent.
When defense lawyer Edward MacMahon cross-examined Rolince—possibly the only time a government security official has been so challenged over 9/11—the disconnect between the official story and reality was plain. Rolince testified that he never read the 26-page August 18, 2001 memo Samit had sent to his office warning that Moussaoui wanted to hijack a plane and had the weapons with which to do it. Samit also wrote that Moussaoui “believes it is acceptable to kill civilians” and approves of martyrdom.
A day earlier, Samit had sent an e-mail to his direct superiors recounting Moussaoui’s training on 747 simulators. “His excuse is weak,” Samit wrote. “He just wants to learn how to do it.…That’s pretty ominous and obviously suggests some sort of hijacking plan.”
Rebuffed by his superiors and ignored by Rolince, Samit still sought out more information worldwide, from sources as diverse as the FBI’s London, Paris, and Oklahoma City offices, the CIA’s counterterrorism center, the Secret Service, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), and probably the National Security Agency. He was sufficiently alarmed by what he heard that he sent an August 21 e-mail requesting the Secret Service be informed that Moussaoui planned to visit the White House and was interested in flight training.
Samit testified that on August 22 he learned from the French that Moussaoui had recruited a fighter to go to Chechnya in 2000 to fight with Islamic radicals with previous links to Osama bin Laden. The FBI brass remained unmoved.
Oh wait, that doesn’t work anymore. shrugs. Best use trusty archives.org
“CBS reporter David Martin revealed that weeks before the attacks, the CIA had warned Bush personally of Osama Bin Laden’s intent to use hijacked planes as missiles. That followed the damaging exposure by The Associated Press’s John Solomon of a pre-9/11 FBI memo from an officer in Phoenix warning of suspicious Middle Eastern men training at flight schools—a warning that went unheeded.”
You might as well place your trust in other crazed nationalist Islamofascists, like Osama bin Laden. Also, good job ignoring the evidence.
I don’t believe in anything. I know that terrorists hijacked a few planes and flew three of them into buildings while another one crashed in Pennsylvania (IIRC). The bodies of everyone on board of this last plane were recovered and identified.
Proof?
There is documented evidence that Hitler ordered the Reichstag to be burned down. There is ABSOLUTELY ZIP, ZERO, NONE, NADA evidence that 9/11 was an “inside job.”
How is this relevant?
Your trolling is becoming tiring. You implied that creating a plan that was never carried out and then was declassified is proof that 9/11 being an inside job was possible.
Were you not ridiculing me for calling crazy kooks “crazy kooks?”
Let me refresh your memory:
So your calling top ranking military officers “some crazy kooks” is ridiculous. I doubt you’ll admit it though, but hey, nationalism is hard to overcome, even for anarchists…
No, no you didn’t. How many times have I said this is a false analogy? Senseless wars vs. absurd conspiracy theories. Please. Use your brain.
Why? lol. Flawed attempt at guilt by association where none exists.
Air Defense Failure “There are several suspicious factors concerning the failure of our air defenses to follow Standard Operating Procedures for hijackings on 9/11, the most obvious being the three conflicting versions of the “official story” given to us by NORAD, the FAA, and the 9/11 Commission. Who is telling the truth?”
Good question?
But more importantly, that ‘evidence’ is hilarious. Payne Stewart was in a light plane that was clearly no threat to people on the ground. When 4 planes go off course then you put fighters up. Or do you not? [:|] lmao. And what difference does it make if the interceptions were outside US boundaries? Hijackers aren’t going to take over a plane INSIDE US boundaries? Righhhhhhht… [8-)]
So you don’t believe the official story… Except you describe it in your very next sentence? lol.
But at least four buildings were ‘hit’ that day. How’s that add up? [:)]
But more importantly you DO believe in a conspiracy theory…
Pay No Attention to That Man Behind the Screen by Butler Shaffer
Recorded 10/15/2004 at Radical Scholarship: The Guerrilla Movement for Liberty [19:29]
“You might also be aware of Operation North woods scam”
“That in the early 1960’s the Joint Chiefs of Staff had put together a plan directed towards an eventual attack on Cuba. And part of this plan would be for people in the United States to be shot in the streets, planes to be hijacked and destroyed, terrorist acts to be carried out in major cities, bombings and so forth. Innocent people to be framed for these bombings. All for the purpose of blaming Castro, in order to rationalize a war in Cuba.”
"The Cold War itself was premised on an international communist conspiracy. And those of us who denied this and saw the Cold War as a scheme for perfect state interests were attacked by the anti-conspiracy league as “paranoid conspiracy theorists”.
"But it’s interesting, right after 9/11 we have George Bush getting on television and telling us “Let us have no Conspiracy theories about all of this”.
“He then began expouting on his own conspiracy theory. It was Al Qaeda, Axis of Evil, International Terrorist Networks, Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.”
“In otherwords, any conspiracy theories that are outside the realm of what is politically correct are not to be examined. Stick to the conspiracy theories we give you and you’ll be alright. Those who believe in the establishment conspiracies are patriots. Those who suspect the establishment of their own conspiracies are paranoid. ‘They conspire but we do not.’”
"Paranoia in this connection is not a fear of others, but a baseless fear of others. What would one say of a Jewish person in Nazi Germany who thought the government was out too get him? Paranoid? If so, what would you say about about another Jewish person in Nazi Germany who didn’t think the government was out to get him? Psychologically healthy?
“Does ‘paranoid’ in fact not describe the state of mind of US officials who see all of us as potential terrorists.” etc etc.
… you believe in the Establishments conspiracy theory. [:S]
It continues, but I’ll leave it at that.
Some. And it’s right above your post.
Can I see the doc? [:P] There’s countless evidence that the official story doesn’t pass muster with reality.
Just wondering if you have an aversion to conspiracies in general, no matter how obvious they are.
A conspiracy theorist is one who, while being beaten and robbed in broad daylight by an armed and uniformed gang, won’t stop ranting about the leprechauns whom he believes are after his gold watch.
'splain me this: why does Alex Jones insist on making himself look like an ass by constantly ranting about eugenics and insisting that seemingly every other billionaire/politician is “involved in eugenics.” Every time I’ve listened to his show he’s made at least one reference to someone being “involved in eugenics,” with no further explanation/clarification/evidence. He recently was ranting about Obama and made plenty of good points but made himself look like a loon by saying “all of his advisors are involved in eugenics!!!”
Haha, it’s like he believes in a strange form of logic where “'I don’t like ’ therefore '_ is involved in eugenics,” is a sound line of reasoning.
I don’t even have a problem with eugenics, as long as it’s done on a voluntary basis. Jones has absolutely no concept of the inherent validity of voluntary interaction.
What I mean by that is that he freaks out over anybody who believes in genetic science, or runs a bank, or engages in international commerce, etc. as if those things were somehow evil in and of themselves. If he would bother himself to be educated, he would know that it is only the joining of those institutions to political power that threatens people, and that when those things are done voluntarily in private society, they are good and beneficial things.
I think Alex Jones exagerates some things, but I think he would agree with the statement:
" it is only the joining of those institutions to political power that threatens people, and that when those things are done voluntarily in private society, they are good and beneficial things."
Anything that happens in human life is a conspiracy theory. People worked together to do it. Its either a conspiracy theory, or a coincidence theory. It just depends on what conspiracy you think actually happened. I personally think people closely associated with this govt funded people to find other people to fund terrorist organisations for a large attack against the american homeland. By uncoordinating seperate dpartments and overextending our aerial capacity with various training sessions, they were virtually able to render any form of response moot.
Various projects had been going on for some time in the trade centers designed to weaken the structure. And eyewitness evidence seems to suggest that explosives were used throughout the building. (The lobby of tower two was blown up upon impact of the plane. But none of the floors above it were???)
The PNAC suggests broad military expansion, believes it wont happen without a new pearl harbor. They are well connected to the former head of the CIA, vice president, then only president to continue recieving daily CIA Briefings in George Bush Sr (you know, the son of a NAZI money launderer). George Jr becomes president and within a year they have their pearl harbor… its easy to see that we at least need a real investigation of this.