The commercial language of the world is english. Rather than learn to speak another language worse than the locals (who already have lots of people who speak their language competently) why not look for business opportunities abroad and in the digital realm?
I have considering moving out my current home not for libertarian reasons, but just to move. I live on the east coast. I’m considering:
New York (which is ten minutes from me , so it would not be a hard move)
California (NO WINTER FTW)
Germany (or somewhere in Europe, I like traveling a lot, and there’s a wider range of change between European countries then American change)
By the way OP, government is oppressive, yada yada and sucks. It hurts everyone. But you can still have happiness even living under it.
Yeah, Libertyandlife, when I saw that list before I read the rest of your post, I knew it couldn’t be for libertarian reasons.
California is great, but not free. Check out San Diego and the suburbs around L.A, like Thousand Oaks. It’s beautiful; I used to live there, and would probably move back in a heartbeat.
New York is worse.
Germany is the worst, for freedom, that is.
I plan on leaving apon retirement. There are plenty of 3rd world pockets of blissful happyness I already have in mind. One of which I already lived at for a while.
Peaceful, stateless, quiet, relaxing, fun.
Try New Hampshire or Texas before you leave the US, or at least while you prepare to. Nevada also is still pretty free. I will be relocating to Texas at the end of the calendar year, then likely to NH once my engagments there are complete. With any luck–particularly in the case of economic cataclysm for the US, NH is a very likely candidate for sessesion for all of the right reasons. Taxes are very low, civil liberties and rights are very high, standard of living and education are also superb. The economy lacks turmoil and is consistently positive. Their greatest vice is neighboring those Commies in Massacheusetts.
Other than that, I can only recommend Switzerland. Their xenophobia is quite a shame though. I spent a great deal of time in communication within the Swiss consolate of San Francisco, CA and they all but out-right told me don’t waste my time unless I have some lineage there. Still, with money and about a decade, you can succeed in winning your Swiss nationalization.
I looked into the idea of expatriation from the US. It could be rewarding. Just remember, you’ll owe taxes to the US on your income if your new home has a lower tax rate – and yes, they do enforce it has been reported to me from a friend who moved to the UK for a job. He and his wife decided to move back to the US (she’s a UK national) and now reside in Colorado.
Another note: renouncing your citizenship is not as simple as some say it is. I have read a few stories, and again from my friends experience, it does seem like the US wants to maintain you as a taxpaying citizen.
As for places to move in the US, as others have mentioned New Hampshire looks most promising with its Free State Project. I’ve been told that Texas is also a more liberal state, and I mean that in the classical definition of the word. My brother is in Wyoming and it’s pretty liberal there, too, from what I’ve seen while visiting and what he’s experienced. I’ve also heard that Idaho is a good spot as well.
Whatever you decide, I wish you luck.
I know that I probably shouldn’t be putting another country on the list but I impore you to look at Hong Kong. I feel like Hong Kong is one of the most beautiful places on earth, the city is fantastic and possibly the most economically free place on earth. I seem to recall that it has practically no tariffs whatsover (average tariff rate= 0% I’m pretty sure) and it could be one of the most visible triumphs of capitalism of our time, so if I were you I would choose Hong Kong, I really hope to go there for a significant amount of time, and if I didn’t have some serious buisness in America then I would probably be trying to move there as well.
Out of your current list I’d probably move either to Lichtenstien or Taiwan. As I think you’d have a really hard time getting into the former, go latter.
I think it’s funny that when I saw Liberty and Life’s avatar of Thoreau that it reminded me of this quote (brought to you and interpreted by Sparknotes):
- It is not worth the while to go round the world to count the cats in Zanzibar.
This statement from the “Conclusion” of Walden illustrates another debt on Thoreau’s part to the American Transcendentalist school of his philosophical mentor, Ralph Waldo Emerson. In Emerson’s influential essay “Self-Reliance,” which Thoreau’s Walden project could be said to put into practice, Emerson makes the assertion that “travel is a fool’s paradise,” and that it is far more useful to change one’s soul than to change one’s landscape. The fool who thinks that his life will change on a trip to Europe is shocked and disappointed to discover, after unpacking his suitcase on arrival, that he is still in the same tedious company of himself. For Emerson the futility of travel is simply a consequence of his belief in the centrality of the self—the depth and health of the soul—in all human affairs. Thoreau inherits this same belief, downgrading the usual glamour of international travel (in this case to Zanzibar, off the coast of East Africa) with the ridiculous enterprise of counting felines. The point of this mockery is to point to a better alternative to African voyages. As he intimates earlier when he ironically notes that he has traveled a lot in Concord, Thoreau insists that the most valuable kind of travel occurs without leaving one’s hometown: the inward voyage of soul-searching.
Earlier I kind of thought that maybe there was some libertarian conflict on the idea of traveling across the globe (although I realize Thoreau isn’t stating a case in the name of libertarianism or anything). I know Doug Casey has lived in many countries. In some way though, travel can take the form of soul-searching in that it helps you find out where you’re comfortable and opens you to new experiences.
Just some food for thought
I’d also suggest giving consideration to New Hampshire.
They have no state income tax or sales tax.
I’m considering it, myself.
You’re not that old are you?
I have heard that the chinese were inspired by the Austrian School. No irony there.
Nielsio, those are some awesome pictures. I want to visit!
Same here, I’m leaving Nevada for Texas (only temporary), then off to N.H.
I don’t mind learning languages, I’ve found I have a knack for it. What’s more, I love it too, so it doesn’t bother me.
Hong Kong sounds intriguing, I just don’t know how I feel about having China breathing down my neck.
I have no intenion of paying the exit tax, it’s just too incredibly facist for me. So when I leave America, I’m pretty sure I’m leaving for good.
On that note, I didn’t know any of those things about New Hampshire, I’ll have to check it out. It could be a good place to set down roots and build some wealth so I can leave the country a more affluent individual. I’m attending college at the University of Oklahoma, and Oklahoma isn’t a bad state. Near Texas too ![]()
I’m at OU, too. I’m majoring in economics and will be graduating in May. What’s your major?
@American Psycho
Is your pic of Bonnar’s second fight after the Polish Experiment? Not relevant, I know, but I think I guessed right on that one. Both fights were awesome.
Seems like you’ve really thought this through, condemning one yet not knowing the other. Are you kidding?
Look, I’m not one to say stay or go, but know what you’re getting into. Damn, I know America has a growing government and is practically a police state in some ways, but there is still good in our country. I would rather live here than anywhere else in the whole world.
So why choose to live in one of the aforementioned countries versus America? Just remember, condemning an argument does not mean a solution is automatically inferred or arrived at. You have a$$holes that sneak across our border and risk their lives to make a life for themselves in a free country, yet when you figure out that America isn’t perfectly free in every definition, you automatically think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence…without even seeing the grass to begin with.
@Brutus Yes that was bonner’s poise after winning the fight. Best UFC PPV EVER!
There is no libertarian paradise anywhere. I’m quite sure that all libertarians have considered of moving to another country - and for you americans, many have thought about USA. I suggest that you try New Hampshire first, because if freedom is your only criterion for location, I’m quite sure all that immigration and foreign culture stuff is not worth it.
from nelson new zealand never been advised to put sun screen on my cat i haven’t used it in years but people from the UK seem to burn easily"i love it here but its sadly its no bastion of freedom we were the first welfare state.but it is easy to start a business no subsidies easy to avoid tax and free trade is the norm "well importing is the eu and us miss out on most of our agg goods"pay here is horrid Australia trumps us.but if you like nature and a no pressure culture its a good place.my advice would be travel the world find what suits you.ps dont over look korea if you want low taxes and a good job my mates love it there.
As an Australian, my advice is to remain in the USA. Compared to Australia it is still the land of opportunity. Everything is so much more expensive in Australia (due to smaller economy as a result of lower population/trade barriers), especially house prices - which are generally 3x that of the USA (due to restriction of supply and government subsidies). I for my part plan on going to the United States.
There, is, however a great amount of opportunities in the mining industry, so if that is something that interests you, you should look into immigrating to Western Australia - the richest (per capita) and most free part of the continent, which is where most of the mining activity takes place. If you have specific skills that are in demand, you might be able to find a good offer to help with the moving process (i.e. accomodation options). If your aim in immigrating is to live somewhere at least somewhat libertarian, you probably wouldn’t be very happy living in Melbourne, Tasmania or, to a slightly lesser extent, Sydney.