Leftist says dead soldiers aren't heroes, Righties call him a girl

You could be considered a hero, doesn’t mean you will be. It’s just a matter of perspective.

Hero is a socially conferred title. So is villain. These titles only have meaning within the human social sphere.

I think the way the brain might consider these distinctions, at least in part, is relative to what could be called “self-perception.”

I think this because someone who sits in their room all day out of fear of the outside world (and then finally comes out) is not likely to be perceived as heroic by me (or I’d wager many people at all) because, among other things, I do not share their fear.

Someone who is afraid of drinking juice and then suddenly finds the will to do it won’t be perceived as heroic by me (and again I’d wager not many other people either) because, among other things, I do not share their fear.

They are indeed displaying forms of courage but as I said before courage seems to me to be only one part of the “hero equation.” I’m not entirely sure how to perfectly articulate the other parts but I definitely think they have to do with the recognition of common purpose and concern, the sense of a duty being performed on one’s behalf and the sense that I’d actually be afraid to do their job. There might be other things going on in my brain but those are the ones I’m at least consciously aware of and able to articulate.

I am afraid to go to war. I am afraid of that sort of environment. I do recognize a common purpose and concern with the troops. I do recognize that they’re performing a duty on my behalf. So when our troops go to war, regardless of the reason, I still admire them and view their acts and sacrifices as heroic.

Perhaps lots of people feel the way I do about this country and the troops which may be why so many people view our fallen soldiers as heroes. Whatever the exact cause, it definitely seems to be a common social feeling.

When people try to degrade the acts and sacrifices of our servicemen, they risk bringing upon them the social wrath of those who disagree with them. That’s exactly what happened to this reporter and he was correctly chastised in my opinion, as would be anyone else who said what he said.

This is my case in point. They’re heroes to you because you sympathize with their plight. I don’t.

The positivity or negativity conferred depends on which side one is on and which cause one supports.

They were probably considered heroes to other SS troopers and the German people, particularly the ones who hated Jews. Obviously I wouldn’t call them heroes because they would’ve been enemies to me. I’m more inclined to view my enemies as villains than heroes, regardless of how much courage they might display.

Well they’re different to me because I am an American. I’m not an Iraqi or an Afghani. I don’t have any reason to have any compassion for them. They’re the enemy to me.

I’m really not surprised that libertarians view the american military as villainous. It makes sense and it’s consistent with the libertarian worldview. But not everyone is a libertarian.

Most people never experience that.
Here in South Africa one has a good chance to be confronted with violent criminals and they will also shoot at you with “live” ammunition. It’s quite shocking when it happens the first time too, you.

You think I deserve to be chastised for “degrading” the acts and sacrifices of “our servicemen”, and I think you deserve to be chastised for doing the opposite. Where do you think that leaves us?

Well obviously I don’t answer to you and you don’t answer to me socially.

From a realistic social standpoint I’d say that it’s not really between you and I personally it’s between you and the social environment you happen to find yourself in and myself and the social environment I happen to find myself in.

I live in GA. I see tons of American flags, Republican candidate and “support the troops” bumper stickers wherever I go. It’s a red state. I don’t feel uncomfortable voicing a support for the military here. On this particular forum I’m frequently chastised but this is a libertarian forum, I know what to expect. Anyways it’s just the internet. In real life I feel like I fit right in with my social environment. That’s good enough for me.

I don’t know where you live or what sort of social environment it is. I don’t know how vocal you are about your libertarian ideals irl. Perhaps you keep to yourself and just share your ideas anonymously online. Perhaps you’re very open about your libertarian beliefs and you live in an area where people are responsive to it, I really have no idea. I guess that as long as you’re socially comfortable with being a libertarian and hating the military or whatever, that’s your prerogative.

I only “answer socially” to those who I want to “answer socially” to. I really don’t care how many people it pisses off. But then again, aren’t we acting socially in a way?

I consider this forum part of the social environment I happen to find myself in. Of course, I have some ability to change that social environment, because I can choose who I (want to) interact with.

You seem to be very concerned with conformity, with “blending in”. Where I live may not be quite as conservative as where you live, but I’m sure most people there “support the troops” on some level. That makes no difference to me. I don’t care so much about “being part of the in-crowd” or “going with the flow”.

I’d say I’m at least somewhat vocal about my libertarian beliefs. I have a few friends and acquaintances who were or are in the military. At least some of them are aware of my views on the military and what it’s been doing. If they really don’t like that, they’re free to stop associating with me at all. That’s up to them. I’m not about to change my views because they offend some people.