Well, there is a reason I said “pretty much.” That is because I disagree with your interpretation. His want of survival skills is the only reason he has not left; but he still can engage in other activities before he learns these skills, and such engagements are not, per se, reasons for staying. They could simply be a means to pass time before his “wilderness mentor” is ready for his tutleage, and hence are not pertaining to the issue whatever. He is not merely hiding untold reasons for staying, in posting on these forums; for when he learns the necessary survival skills and is decked with proper accoutrements, he shall promptly leave if his word be true.
This forum =/= survivalist forum. He may still be in “civ” before he’s prepared (sounds pretty weak to me), but if he’s preparing to live without “civ” he should actually be doing that instead of spending time on the internet, y’know, get use to living without “civ”. Doesn’t sound like he’s trying hard.
Which brings me to the question, what have you done to prepare? Have you taught yourself how to gather food, build shelter, and so forth? What survivalist skills are you currently working on?
No, because they don’t matter! Occupy Wall Street was started by Soros to begin with but at least they have the gumption to mount a real protest in a real city. This is just a bunch of bored guys who haven’t gotten laid in way too long picking a fight with the local cops and spending the night in jail. It’s just like the guy I mentioned protesting parking tickets. What a waste of energy. Get a job and do something productive that benefits the rest of us. Instead, all I see these guys doing is increasing demand for police and court services, burdening the taxpayers further.
Clayton -
No, because they don’t matter! Occupy Wall Street was started by Soros to begin with but at least they have the gumption to mount a real protest in a real city. This is just a bunch of bored guys who haven’t gotten laid in way too long picking a fight with the local cops and spending the night in jail. It’s just like the guy I mentioned protesting parking tickets. What a waste of energy. Get a job and do something productive that benefits the rest of us. Instead, all I see these guys doing is increasing demand for police and court services, burdening the taxpayers further.
Clayton -
i don’t support the occupy protests but I do support liberty activists who were the people arrested in this case.
Whole Free Keene and “activism” in NH is waste of time and makes libertarians to looke like an idiots.
direct action gets satisfaction. the state has violated the nap. they should start from that.
Whole Free Keene and “activism” in NH is waste of time and makes libertarians to looke like an idiots.
The whole point of Free Keene is to draw attention to the useless laws and drug war. If enough of them get arrested the town of Keene will lose money and will consider taking the laws off the books. Also, the more Keeniacs in jail means less time the police in Keene will worry about people breaking other petty laws. It’s a complex strategy known to work.
So what are you doing to advance liberty?
How is ‘more people in jail’ a direct correlation or a causation to a ‘reduction of local govrnment revenue’ ?
How is ‘more people in jail’ a direct correlation or a causation to a ‘reduction of local govrnment revenue’ ?
More people in jail equals more money the town has to spend. This means they’ll either have to increase taxes or take the laws off the books in order to get that money back. Since most people in Keene are already fed up w/ high property tax (Keene has some of the highest in the state) they’ll demand that the laws be done away with. It’s all about public opinion. Seeing someone get arrested for having a beer on state property makes the town question the laws.
But if you look at the books of most towns in NH, most have increased their budget each year.
But if you look at the books of most towns in NH, most have increased their budget each year.
Lie. Free staters managed to cut NH’s budget by 12% last year.
really?(and I am talking about local government budgets not state)
http://www.city.laconia.nh.us/uploads/administration_dept/docs/Budget/BUDGET%20FY2012.pdf
public service salaries up, budget up, revenues by taxes up, revenue by non-taxes up, public service costs up…
more examples:
http://www.cityofportsmouth.com/finance/fy11adoptedbudget.pdf
http://www.graftoncountynh.us/Budgets/FY2010%20Budget%20Complete.pdf
@F4M: You need to read up on public choice theory. When the costs are spread over all citizens (taxes, cost of paying police to clear people drinking publicly out of the park) while the benefits accrue to a small minority (those prohibitionists who feel strongly about drinking in public), and you have a well-oiled redistributionary apparatus (local, state, federal gov’t, etc.) the minority will be able to - and, therefore, will - impose the costs of implementing its programs onto the general public.
The reason is simple… it costs me, what, an additional penny in taxes? I’m going to waste even one minute of my day to eliminate that penny? Of course not. But if you hate drinking with a passion and hate to see people drinking in the public square almost enough to use your own money to prevent it, you’ll gladly devote your energy lobbying and promoting until a law is passed that costs people an extra penny or two in order to keep public drinking prohibited. Hence, the incentive to lobby for laws prohibiting public drinking vastly exceed the incentive to lobby against the costs of such laws.
This is true of each initiative taken in isolation but the inevitable consequence is an explosion in the tax burden and the nanny state. Your protests hinge on the idea of taking that one or two pennies and turning it into three or four pennies. The public is still going to say “so what?” and I say not only are you wasting your time but you are in fact doing a disservice to your fellow man. We’d be better off if you were at least delivering pizzas or something.
Clayton -
@F4M: You need to read up on public choice theory. When the costs are spread over all citizens (taxes, cost of paying police to clear people drinking publicly out of the park) while the benefits accrue to a small minority (those prohibitionists who feel strongly about drinking in public), and you have a well-oiled redistributionary apparatus (local, state, federal gov’t, etc.) the minority will be able to - and, therefore, will - impose the costs of implementing its programs onto the general public.
The reason is simple… it costs me, what, an additional penny in taxes? I’m going to waste even one minute of my day to eliminate that penny? Of course not. But if you hate drinking with a passion and hate to see people drinking in the public square almost enough to use your own money to prevent it, you’ll gladly devote your energy lobbying and promoting until a law is passed that costs people an extra penny or two in order to keep public drinking prohibited. Hence, the incentive to lobby for laws prohibiting public drinking vastly exceed the incentive to lobby against the costs of such laws.
This is true of each initiative taken in isolation but the inevitable consequence is an explosion in the tax burden and the nanny state. Your protests hinge on the idea of taking that one or two pennies and turning it into three or four pennies. The public is still going to say “so what?” and I say not only are you wasting your time but you are in fact doing a disservice to your fellow man. We’d be better off if you were at least delivering pizzas or something.
FYI it’s not just about taxes and draining the state but about drawing attention to the laws and the fact that innocent people are being put in cages for absolutely nothing. Public attention to these laws is the first step.
really?(and I am talking about local government budgets not state)
http://www.city.laconia.nh.us/uploads/administration_dept/docs/Budget/BUDGET%20FY2012.pdf
public service salaries up, budget up, revenues by taxes up, revenue by non-taxes up, public service costs up…
more examples:
http://www.cityofportsmouth.com/finance/fy11adoptedbudget.pdf
http://www.graftoncountynh.us/Budgets/FY2010%20Budget%20Complete.pdf
OK. So why are you so against the FSP? Why not support others who are working towards liberty?
I have noticed that when debates aren’t going your way, you love to change the subject.
Good luck with that. This is Amerika, home to 5% of the world’s population and 25% of the world’s prisoners. Like anybody’s going to care if a few more preachy, smartass libertarians get thrown in jail for knowingly breaking the law.
Clayton -
Good luck with that. This is Amerika, home to 5% of the world’s population and 25% of the world’s prisoners. Like anybody’s going to care if a few more preachy, smartass libertarians get thrown in jail for knowingly breaking the law.
You should tell all of this to the Keeniacs, not me.
Go ahead and join in their debate. Tell them why there wrong.
@Izzy. I hope this changes your mind.
New video.
