Libertarians For Obama

[Michael_S]

@Nitroadict

@Michael S

it did seem that way. Whats with all the name calling? I am not a hypocrite!

You told me I shouldn’t judge people, while judging me. By definition, that action is hypocritical; please note, I said action, not you as a person, as i know nothing about you other than your words & actions on this forum.

@Michael S

I told you that your “passing observation” was wrong, yet you still want to believe that it is right. Yes, you did make a (unfair) judgment.

That you continue to make an argument out of something which ,essentially, amounts to me not agreeing with you, is only reinforcing my opinion of you being a bit childish as not unjustified (note: not necessarily correct, but not an unreasonable perception, either).

Essentially, while you think my passing observation is wrong, in my perception, your continued actions, to me, say otherwise. I believe this falls under the category of constructive criticism, not libel.

I do not apologize for having an opinion. I still think you are over-reacting.

@Michael S

I’m not yelling at you I’m trying to educate you! Sure I might challenge you or I might challenge your comfort zone/level or what have you but I never judged you! I know that I use the wrong word sometimes. I do not have a college edumacation or a PHD, MD, MBA, NFL, NBA, NCAA, IRS, CIA or NASA like half the users of this forum.

1.) “Yelling” was an exageration, similar to your call of “what’s with all the name calling?” is an exaggeration.

2.) I’m not threatened at all by you, nor do I have some type of comfort zone on this forum. Your attempt to paint me as some unreasonable, older use talking down to a newer user is odd & unwarrented.

3.) I do not have a “college edumacation” either (incomplete one, actually).

@Michael S

Your putting words in my mouth again! I never told you to stop judging other people. I was trying to tell you why you should not judge people, There is a big difference! You can live your life however you want to live it. Is it that bad or wrong to stick up for yourself? people disagree all the time, just because someone is different then you and you disagree with someone and, doesn’t give you the right to judge them. Instead of judging people try to understand them. Do whatever floats your boat, Just don’t judge me in the process ok?

Is it that bad or wrong to stick up for myself? People disagree all the time.

“The gun” was referrence to a phrase “the gun in the room”. I essentially said, nothing sort of physical force would stop me judging you or others, & if said physical force did not infact kill me, I would continue to judge. Basically: “make me stop judging you, or anyone else.”

Odd; in all of this pointless argument that you desire to continue, I’ve never once said “stop judging me”. Why is that?

I will judge whomever I want and/or need to. If I didn’t judge anything at all in life, I would not be here, let alone anywhere else.

Additionally, if you desire to continue this, I suggest you message me instead, because the argument is fragmenting the thread itself. There is no guarantee I will respond, however, as I view this argument as largely a personal one, on your part, that has run it’s course.

This discussion ends here because you are wasting my time taking everything I say out of context!Do you keep taking everything I say out of context just so you can keep arguing with me and/or so you can portrait yourself as being a tough guy? If that is true, You can take that bully crap elsewhere! Not judging people has to do with being humilty and it’s a strength not a weakness. you are creating problems where none exists!

Does judging people make you feel good about yourself or So you seem to win or perhaps you think you are perfect or think that you are better then everyone else? noone is perfect, including you!

In all your replies, you always accuse me of judging you! Yet you do not prove me judging you. prove it.

Not judging people is being humilty and it’s a strength not a weakness. To Show you what i mean by saying you shouldn’t judge people , I will tell you a story about a man who owned his own business and who’s business had money problem. this story will show you the consiquences of him blaming his employees instead of him blaming and fixing the real cause (himself)! if you don’t want to know this story then I and noone else will be able to help you!

If you think everything I said on this thread was a lie then call me a liar, If you do be prepared to get debunked!

[Solomon]

@Rubén

Society decided through its cultural exchanges to grant such powers.

Hmm. There’s one I haven’t heard before. [:P]

Even if one assumes that society is an active agent (not a well thought-out idea), in no sense does this imply that it has certain powers that it can grant (‘delegate’ is the legal term if I’m not mistaken) to some of its members called the state. Forget how society gives the right to tax, murder, conscript, &c. to the state; just how the hell did it have the right to do those things in the first place?!

[Byzantine]

@Rubén

It seems to me that in politics democracy has some equivalence with market competition in economics.

Not really. We’re just counting to see who could field the biggest army and instead of fighting, we just concede the point right there.

[Torsten]

@Byzantine

Not really. We’re just counting to see who could field the biggest army and instead of fighting, we just concede the point right there.

How does this bring us back to the subject: “Libertarians supporting Obama”?

[Natalie]

Are there any libertarians who actually support Obama?

I predict he’s going to be one of the most socialistic Presidents we’ve had, on par with Mr “you can’t get rid of me until I die” FDR. And he’s also entering his term during tough economic times. This is going to be 8 years in hell (I doubt he’ll be allowed to lose reelection).

[liberty_student]

Yes, there are. They are people who claim to be libertarians and support the invasion of Iraq as well as a central bank. Libertarians who believe the Patriot Act keeps Americans safe.

[Natalie]

They are not libertarians then.

[liberty_student]

Nope, but many are LP members, and have no problem telling non-libertarians that what they stand for is libertarianism.

The remnant is a lot smaller than many of us think it is. Very small.

[Natalie]

I guess the best way to destroy the movement is to pretend being part of it but that denounce everything it stands for.

[liberty_student]

Or to misrepresent it as pseudo-Republicanism, and then use it as a recruiting tool for people to participate in the big leagues.