Obama to Drop Poland, Czech Missile Defense Proposal

They haven’t scrapped it entirely, rather changed the technology to be deployed (and it’s going to be delayed as well). I have no idea if it’s going to be more efficient or less expensive, the reports are conflicting.

Judging by the Russian media, Russian government was less concerned with a few missiles in Poland and Czech Republic (not a big threat to Russia anyway) than with the proposed Czech radar that would see all of the European part of Russia to the Ural Mountains. So NATO is probably going to use the Russian radar in the Caucasus mountains against the possible threat from Iran which suits Russia just fine.

I suspect that Obama and Putin/Medvedev have reached some kind of a bargain: US changes the missile doctrine to more palatable to the Russians while Russia won’t sell long-range missile systems to Iran.

Too bad. But Iran will get their missiles anyway, sooner or latter. The sooner the better.

It’s certainly going to be better (as in more lucrative) for the military and defense contractors who will ask for more funding in response.

Indeed, the Iranian people are at a big disadvantage, in that they cannot defend themselves against potential attackers.

Look at how much the west has backed off threatening and bullying North Korea since they bettered their armament.

Violence, only respects violence. A sad consequence of imperial times.

Wow this is all smoke and mirrors guys. Whatever you see on TV about military actions is 100% BS. It is a line and nothing more. All of those missiles will most likely still go to Poland, and Russia will most likely still counter. You just won’t hear about it anymore. Can I provide you proof? Nope. All I can say, is that the polices given to the public are contrary to the polices carried out. I use to carry out the contrary policies. Sorry about that. I was wrong.

Don’t waste your time.

As far as I know Americans wanted first and foremost to defend themselves.
We - the great majority of Poles - did not want their missiles on our land.

We understood clearly that it would be a great problem for us - not real advantage.

I do not care if Obama is an idiot or not - that is Americans’ problem - not Poles’.

:wink:

Remember just one thing…

For Poles September 17 is a far, far, far worse day than e.g.

December 7 or September 11 for Americans…

For us September 17 is an open and vividly hurting wound - a treason wound!

Therefore…

We perceive this as American signal given to Russia…

:-/

Now think of the quality of Obama’s i.e. U.S. government foreign policy…

the iranian state is not the iranian people. the iranian people suffer the iranian state just like we suffer ours.

just sayin’

What are you saying?

Granted, but given the existence of rogue states like the american state and the israeli state, it makes sense for the iranian state to acquire weapons so as to check the deranged plans of other deranged people like themselves.

Did anyone actually oppose Obama’s move before your inflammatory and uncivil comment?

Read the original post, polski. That’s what I’m responding to.

Clean it up or take a hike.

In 1941 the Red Cross in Poland discovered the executed bodies of the entire Polish officer corp and determined that it was done by the Soviets. FDR swept it under the rug.

Would you be willing to concede that an islamic dictatorship has less legitimacy than a constitutional republic?

What about a constitutional dictatorship and an islamic republic?

But doesnt the term “constitutional” implies that there is a respect for certain individual rights? and doesnt “islamic” implies a theocracy?

By selling the missiles to other deranged people like themselves.

Maybe, but that has nothing to do with what I said ? I said that the american government and its accomplices are rogue states and that it makes sense for other rogue states (like the iranian state) to defend themselves.

I’m saying that given the complete lawlessness of the american military, other states are ‘justified’ in acquiring weapons ‘for defense’.

. And actually as far as military operations go, the american state has probably less legitimacy than the iranian state. As far as I can tell the iranian military don’t have bases all over the world.

No constitutional republic in sight, I’m afraid (such entity actually was a myth, you know…)

The CCCP had a constitution.

Probably my post wasn’t very clear. What I’m saying is that given the evil madmen who run the american and israeli military/governments, I see no reason why the madmen who run the iranian government should be at a disadvantage when it comes to weapons.

Why should the american military be able to nuke iran, but the iranians should not be able to nuke NYC ?