Dr. Paul did way better in NH now then he did 4 years ago. I’d say the survey is inaccurate only because the number of Paul supporters in NH has increased in the past 4 years.
b) It doesn’t take much to have a significant percentage in a state that basically amounts to a metropolitan area, with roughly the same population spread over only a slightly bigger area.
What does that mean? There are other states with lower populations then NH which I’m sure Dr. Paul might not do as hot in.
To repeat what I said above: your not understanding what the FSP is really about. The whole goal wasn’t to move all the libertarians to the state w/ the most libertarians. The point of it was to move libertarians to a state where they could have an influence. That meant a state that both already had libertarian-leaning policies like relatively free market, low taxes, low regulations AND a lower population that was already somewhat libertarian. NH is not fully libertarian or fully free market yet but it will get there. Movements like this take time. Already there’s tons of libertarians in the state house who are passing bills to privatize state assets and deregulate the local economy. NH will be a Hong Kong sometime in 10 years I’m sure.
I’m very happy Paul finally is pushing the points that will win the long game (by long game, I mean the inter-generational push against Statism). Both war at home and abroad is the essence of what we all fight against. It doesn’t matter if it comes in the form of a billyclub caving in the skull of a youngster that is voicing his/her opinion or if it comes impersonally as a missile from robotic predators in the skies over some foreign land. This is something that won’t go away if Paul gets elected, but it will go away if Paul’s ideas inspire more to think, to learn, and to act; that’s why I’m very happy to see him win his 2nd place position. I just wish I could see the day when no more gods or kings rule humankind, that their edicts of death hold no more power than a fairytale.
Alternative option: Civilization is collapsing as we speak and all the free-staters in Keene have already fled to safety in the woods before they got a chance to vote.
There’s more to liberty then smoking pot. Since I’ve moved to NH I feel like I’m living in a different country. I can buy raw milk here any time. Raw milk raids don’t happen in NH.
Yeah, because buying raw malk is a staple of the libertarian movement. Thing is I bet I’m more “free” in Virginia Beach who has the most asinine laws possible on the sheer fact that a majority of the people here ignore/disregard as many of those laws as possible.
Vermont and Delaware were thrown out right away because theyre incredibly statist and full of statists. The other states they looked at were Alaska, Idaho, Wyoming, N+S Dakota and Montana. But who wants to move out to those states esp. if your from the city?
Who the hell want’s to move to any of those states anyway? One of the things you Free Staters don’t realize is personal preference, people are going to move somewhere because they simply just like it, not because of it’s laws (as for laws go how late do it’s liqour stores stay open? are they open on Sundays? I could care less about raw milk). If I don’t like NH for whatever reason I won’t move there, maybe I want to stay by the beach or move to the mountains, has nothing to do with some libertarian social project that won’t matter in 5 years, especially if I have kids and they ask me why we live in NH, “Oh, because you can buy raw milk here, but we drink soy milk anyway so it doesn’t really matter does it…”. Also, I’ve been to Delaware, that state seriously sucks - like top 5 worse states in this country. Instead of moving away from everyones miniscule political problems they should just face them.
“One of the things you Free Staters don’t realize is personal preference, people are going to move somewhere because they simply just like it, not because of it’s laws”
Of course laws are one of the things people look at when choosing a place to live. I, for one, think the FSP is a great idea. Just because you don’t want to live in NH doesn’t make it a bad idea. Stop trashing the guy
Of course laws are one of the things people look at when choosing a place to live. I, for one, think the FSP is a great idea. Just because you don’t want to live in NH doesn’t make it a bad idea. Stop trashing the guy.
Orly? One thing, not the sole basis of moving. People like F4M think that everyone should uproot their lives and move them to NH just because they are trying some libertarian social project, yet I hear of more political upheaval in all places except NH - and NH suppose to be some beacon of hope because you can buy raw milk? so what? As far as I know nothing is wrong with NH, as far as the landscape goes, but if it’s filled with these types of people I really don’t care to belong, again, I don’t form relationships and make decisions purely on political means.
He also did way better in Iowa. And is polling way better virtually everywhere than he did 4 years ago. That’s my whole point.
It means Paul “doing well” in NH isn’t as hard to do. It means that you don’t have to do as much work (and cover as much ground) to show a significant percentage of the vote. Other than Rhode Island, I dare you to find another proportionally similar state (population/square miles) that couldn’t be easily campaigned. (I only rule out RI because I assume it’s basically Massachusetts.)
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And here you are, more than a decade in the making. Quite an impact you’ve had.
It’d be a little more convincing if after 10 years you didn’t still have less 5% of your goal of 20,000 people…which itself is only 1.5% of current NH population.
F4M - question: How did RP lose Keene? It went for Romney, then Huntsman, then Paul.
No. It went for Paul first, then Huntsman and then Romney. You have to understand that a lot of libertarians refuse to vote. Thats why Dr. Paul didn’t do as well in NH as we all thought he would.
Oh I see. So the Diebold machines actually make people decide on their own to not go to the polls. That’s how they control the vote totals. Got it. Yeah that makes perfect sense.
It also feeds right into your notion that these free staters are filling the state and local government seats and just revamping the entire political system up there. It makes perfect sense that a lot of people not participating in the political process would result in a bunch of the same people controlling and affecting the political process.