Kudos to you. K.C. Farmer, for stating the case very eloquently and clearly.
I don’t think I’d call what I posted a case.
I also don’t believe liberty student has posted a case to attack Peter Schiff. He’s just shown some inconsistencies in Schiff’s activity on LRC and has shown a link between Koch meetings and Peter Schiff. I don’t believe he’s made the direct claim that Schiff works at the direction of the Koch organization. That’s how I interpreted his use of the term Koch Agent. Liberty student’s meaning was lost in my mistranslation.
I stand behind everything I wrote, and see no point in continuing this discussion. Let anyone who wishes draw their cinclusions based on what is already here.
If you feel vindicated, so much the better, I guess.
Are you suggesting that Schiff is no longer contributing to LRC at Koch’s urging, or that LRC is no longer soliciting contributions from Schiff due to his relationship with Koch?
Also, I try to catch Schiff’s podcasts when I can, and I have to say that I haven’t noticed any substantial changes in his rhetoric. I mean, he has always on occasion blurted out the occasional WTF statement, especially regarding foreign policy, but I haven’t noticed an increased frequency in these instances. Am I missing something? Are there any other things he’s done on Koch’s behalf besides his absence from LRC?
What you wrote was contradictory or unsupported, and you refuse to address your claims, while simultaneously claiming to stand behind them. You’re continuing the error you made when you claimed things about me without doing any diligence.
I’m not suggesting anything. I made a claim that LRC has not run anything about him since the Plutocrats’ Ball post. I substantiated that as best I could.
I wouldn’t consider Peter an agent of Koch just because he was at their meeting. For all we know, he was there talking up everything that he does everywhere else that he is speaking. I would expect him to meet with the Federal Reserve if he was invited. Would he be considered a Fed agent if he did so?
But hey, if you would like to share some of the additional info you have, I know I would appreciate it. I tried looking things up that relate Peter to Koch and am not coming up with anything.
I don’t blame you. That’s not a conclusion I drew from finding out about the meeting.
I really don’t want to share anymore. The reaction I got in this thread, was largely what I thought was coming.
I posted this only because I wanted to substantiate my comments about LRC, which Nielsio has indicated I had made carelessly. I did that. I have no interest, and see no profit in having to chase this down as I am neither a journalist, die hard Schiff fan, Koch agent, or Rothbard defender.
Everyone should keep their eyes open, before they promote, support, endorse or follow ANYONE. That includes LvMI, me, Ron Paul and yes, Peter Schiff. It is impossible (IMO) to achieve the sort of enlightenment necessary to have a free society, if people choose to blindly follow or ignore their own diligence.
If you didn’t draw that conclusion from him being at the meeting, then how did you get the idea that he is a Koch agent? You made the statement about him being one, in another thread, and said you would make a new thread showing us why you made that statement. Here is the thread and yet nothing you wrote or linked to gives any indication that Peter is a Koch agent. All we know is that he attended a meeting with them.
I’m sorry to see you won’t be sharing any more information with us about this subject but thanks again for posting some of the articles that you did. At the very least, there were still other things that I learned about, thanks to this thread!
Yeah, I read it, but I don’t understand where they get off with saying they have an anti-Ludwig von Mises bias and tried to stop Rockwell from starting the Mises Institute. Not saying it’s incorrect. I just didn’t see proof of it.
If it’s because they’re behind the Cato Institute, I don’t see why that’s a problem either. It originally helped in my neo-conservative → libertarian transition.
Dude I completely agree with you. It’s precisely because I am a Schiff fan that I’m so curious about what think he’s up to that must have escaped my knowledge. I read all the links you posted, but the only one that said anything about Schiff besides placing him at the Koch meeting was the interview, which as far as I oculd tell was pretty standard fare Schiff. I’d honestly like to know what exactly you think he might be up to.
I’ve already explained, I have seen other things which lead me to that conclusion. I never said I had incontrovertible proof. Go back and read my OP.
I already explained why I made this thread. It wasn’t to defend my opinion. I don’t care if anyone agrees with my opinion or not. I made this thread to support my claim that he had stopped being run on LRC after the meeting was posted on the blog.
And that LRC has not run anything about him since the meeting was made public.
It’s not healthy for me to spoon feed you. Do your own research, draw your own conclusions. I’ve given you all an enormous head start on this topic.
No offense, but the reading comprehension here is terrible. I don’t know how much clearer I can make my own statements, explanations of those statements, and the facts. I have answered ALL of your concerns in previous responses to this thread, including the OP.
liberty student, you were clearly questioned about your comment about Schiff being a Koch agent, in the other thread. You eventually said you would make a thread about it. The result was this thread, which gives us a little history about the Koch brothers, their help with the Cato institute, and the cat fight between them and the Mises institute. Why you made a thread about that, no one knows. It is clear to everyone except you that what WAS in question was Schiff being a Koch agent, which you failed to deliver any goods on. No need to get your panties in a bunch. Everyone is just a let down that you didn’t deliver.
If Schiff has been “outed” with Glenn Beck, it is because of his disagreement with his sponsor, Goldline, for pushing collectable coins over gold bullion, then jacking up the prices.
We all need to stop the conspiracist fear-mongering. Peter Schiff is in no way connected to Jacob Schiff, which is where I know this theory will end up. I also see no reason why Peter should have to account for his whereabouts to a bunch of bloggers.
Bad weather yesterday afforded me an opportunity to dig into this a little more. Still scraping the sludge of opinions from the Right and Left.
Best I can determine is that Peter Schiff was likely paid to present at the meeting just as Beck and others were. The topic he addressed was not really that different than what he preaches everywhere else. The organizers reduced their normal membership fee in order to accommodate a wider audience. I believe Schiff was used by the Kochtopus to draw in those in the Tea Party crowd who followed him, just as Beck was used to draw in the conservatives. The intent apparently was to get more support for the impending 2010 elections.
The Koch Network, as they like to call themselves, are a group of people who want to influence the political process through campaign contributions and other activities. This appears to be a marriage of the Koch/CATO/Chicago School Libertarians and the Republican big money people. The Koch/CATO/Chigaco School Libertarians appear to want to take the parts of libertarianism and free market capitalism that they like (those that are acceptable to the mainstream) and discard the parts they don’t like (the more “extreme” portions that Rothbard and Mises were known for). The Republican big money folks tend to be more moderate than the common Conservative Republican crowd, but they’ve been successful in feeding the common Republican a line of crap and then offering up moderate candidates like George W Bush, John McCain, and now it seems Mitt Romney.
The Koch Network seems to like their bread buttered on both sides. They talk a lot about libertarian/free market ideas, but they are most definitely for corporate merchantilism. You can easily reduce federal regulations by more than 90% and still have a structure that is closer to British merchantalism than it is to free market capitalism. Federal regulations are just that massive.
Not sure whether Peter Schiff was acting on behalf of the Koch Network, but he did work for them which may be enough for what the Koch Network wanted from Peter Schiff. I’d probably call him a Koch Enabler, but no point in beating that to death.
I’ve found that the only people who seem to care about Peter Schiff attending this meeting are libertarians. The only exception I’ve found was from a pro-immigration blog that identified Schiff as being “bad for immigration”. I don’t follow him close enough to know his position on immigration. Schiff’s message has always been about “it’s the Feds fault” and “buy gold, but don’t get scammed.” Perhaps others here could shed more light on the pro-immigration blogger’s comment.
At this time I believe Schiff’s lack of activity on LRC is coincidental, although if it continues that way for six months or longer then liberty student’s opinion may be dead on. We won’t find a statement from Peter Schiff commenting on his participation at the Koch Meeting because all members were asked not to discuss the event publicly. If Lew Rockwell were to have banned Peter Schiff, then I’m sure we’d hear about it. The most productive inquiry would be to ask Peter Schiff why he hasn’t posted anything on LRC since October. My guess is that he’d probably just say that he’s been pretty busy working on other projects or his business.
Which I have done. I told auctionguy I would do this.
Sure you guys know. I have addressed it up thread already. I addressed it specifically to you.
I posted this only because I wanted to substantiate my comments about LRC, which Nielsio has indicated I had made carelessly. I did that. I have no interest, and see no profit in having to chase this down as I am neither a journalist, die hard Schiff fan, Koch agent, or Rothbard defender.