Peter Schiff is a neo-con?

[liberty_student]

@laminustacitus

But really, this is an irrelevant point, since it is common knowledge that bin Laden is responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

It’s also common knowledge that the earth was only a few thousand years old, that the planet is warming, and the earth is flat. I like to deal in facts, not mass stupidity. Appeals to populism are pointless.

@laminustacitus

Nor has he ever been brought to trial nor has he been arrested, generally a criminal is charged with crimes either upon being arrested, or once they are brought to trial.

The FBI claimed not to have enough to charge him. I’m just making the point, you assume a lot. Even more than the FBI apparently.

@laminustacitus

There was plenty of proof that bin Laden was a terrorist by October, 2001. Denying that is nonsensical. He even claimed responsibility, is not a confession evidence enough for extradition?

He initially did not claim responsibility, and the 9/11 Commission has determined that the attacks were planned in Germany and the US. If attacking an embassy and a ship (the Cole) are terrorist acts, then every military serviceman is a civilian, because terrorism is not activity against a state or military, it is politically motivated violence against individuals. Besides, we all know Bin Laden by this standard was a terrorist, the US used him in this role against the Soviets.

@laminustacitus

They did not just take in bin Laden as a guest, they also happened to protect him even when it was blatant that the man was a terrorist.

Again, we loved him being a terrorist in Afghanistan when the terrorism [sic] was against our enemies. Apparently what is good for the goose, is not good for the gander…

@laminustacitus

They not only defended him after he orchestrated the bombings of United States embassies in 1998, but also after he had been responsible for the attack on the USS Cole in October, 2000.

Right, neither of which is a terrorist act by the definition of the word. If we’re engaging in newspeak, then it is. Anytime anyone stands up to the state, that is terrorism by this definition. George Washington was a terrorist!

@laminustacitus

When my guest is using my protection to wage a campaign of terrorism, it is a moral imperative for me to show him the door.

And again, the US supported him in this role, in Afghanistan, when it suited their purposes.

@laminustacitus

In the West, we rightfully believe that harboring a terrorist is immoral.

In the west, we also believe in nuking civilians, systemic torture via black site prisons and carpet bombing cities. I wouldn’t appeal to western morality with a straight face.

@laminustacitus

And they sure have given criminals, and terrorists safe-haven while launching a war based on Sharia law against any influence that they do not agree with.

Again, WE, the WEST, AMERICANS, NATO encouraged them in this behaviour. We funded and trained them. No one in the west gives a damn about Sharia law, this is strictly about control of resources in a race with China and India, and an excuse to pump up the war machine spending to serve special interests like GE and other multi-nationals.

[wilderness]

@auctionguy10

@wilderness

yeap and the spiral blame game of immoral u.s. and immoral terrorist will go on forever until somebody actually stands for peace.

Do you really think its a spiral blame game? No middle eastern country has ever invaded the united states or provided funding to overthrow a president or any nonsense like that. Its blatantly obvious who’s the aggressor and who has the capability to end it all- the most powerful military in the history of the world.

the blame game that needs to stop is in the heads of some people posting in this forum, this thread explicitly. until they advocate peace - i think they incline to be violent. so actually it doesn’t even matter for me about americans or terrorists. it’s those posting in this forum that advocate any form of violence from their armchair that are not putting their foot down and standing for peace. that’s who i am talking about. as if from their armchair they know what the hell is happening in their own backyard at times let alone Afghanistan

[auctionguy10]

@bloomj31

@auctionguy10

What makes you think israel isn’t going to use nukes on anyone? They kill plenty of civilians, flatten villages, engage in invasion and occupation. Iran hasn’t done anything at all of that scale. How could they possibly be more dangerous? how does that make sense? Why is iran a different story? When I said brown countries- I was takin a jab at the fact that only countries like Iraq, Iran, Pakistan- etc are scolded for their nuclear ambitions.

I mean I’m a Jew and I’m biased, I know that. But I don’t think Israel is going to do anything to anyone who doesn’t provoke them. Palestinians provoke the Israelis and then they get hurt.

I don’t understand why that’s the standard line- that its the palestinians who provoke israel and then israel is simply retaliating. The palestinians are occupied- caged in, and subject to Israeli violence all the time thats never reported(because who cares about subhumans like them). But I’m sure im not going to convince you of that- seems like you already made up your mind. I don’t condone attacks against israeli civlians at all- but its pretty easy to see who has the big guns and who’s major arsenal involves throwing rocks from the ground.

@bloomj31

The Jews are always subject to this impossible double standard. If they do anything right, it’s because they’re evil Jews and if they do anything people might consider wrong, it proves they’re evil Jews.

Not saying that you’re accusing me of it- but just so you know, I don’t care that Israel is made up of jews. I care that the Israeli military- one of the most powerful in the world, has a large kill count.

@bloomj31

I think the way Israel has handled the Palestinian problem has been beyond careful. My aunt just went there recently and told me that Palestinians are being allowed to come into the cities and work and be part of the society.

What! They treated them like human beings? Say it ain’t so. Paragons of justice they are.

@bloomj31

Even though there’s always the risk that one of them is carrying a bomb and is going to walk into a synagogue or a barber shop and blow everyone up.

Man palestinians put up with the IDF everyday at checkpoints, or trying to go about their daily lives- but they never know when they’ll be beaten, arrested, or shot for no good reason. Hell they can be sitting around in their dark dirty homes until some missles or a bulldozer flattens it.

@bloomj31

So I don’t think Israel is going to do anything to Iran. I don’t even think they have nukes. But Iran might and Ahmadinejad’s anti-Israel rhetoric is disturbing and troublesome.

Have you never found the anti-iranian rhetoric from members of the Israeli government to ever be disturbing and troublesome where they CONSTANTLY threaten to invade and bomb Iran? Ahmadinejad is no good just like any other politician- but I don’t see why everyone makes him out to be more scary than the rest of the lawmakers.

@bloomj31

If the Iranians don’t have any weapons then they shouldn’t have a problem with the US going in and taking a look. Right? What’s the problem with that?

Because who is the United States to come into someone else’s house and ask them what they have or don’t have. They should mind their own business for once. For how many more decades does Iran have to deal with US interference in their country? Besides once you let the US in- there’s no limit to what they can do. Do you really think they’ll just place nice?

[liberty_student]

@Caley McKibbin

Are you accusing me of something? I hope not.

I didn’t accuse you of anything. You announced you once tried to be a tax eater. I am happy you did not succeed, just as I will be happy if Peter Schiff goes back to his private practice.

[wilderness]

@laminustacitus

Standing of the peace does not mean that bin Laden should not be put on trial Standing for peace necessitates that bin Laden be put on trial, and that work be done in order to undo the past injustices of American foreign policy in the Middle East so that justice may be done for all parties.

well i see none of that actually happening at the moment except perpetual warfare. as obama orders, i can’t remember the exact number of troops, 10,000’s of more troops to find Waldo

(Where’s Waldo?)

[wilderness]

@bloomj31

I mean I’m a Jew and I’m biased, I know that.

that’s no excuse for you to initiate coercion against me. you’re not special

[bloomj31]

Alright, this is going in a silly direction.

I’m Pro-Schiff and I hope he gets the Republican nomination so he can run against Dodd. I think he can beat him.

I’m fairly certain that Schiff is no neo-con. I understand that to radical libertarians, ANYONE who says anything other than “we should just leave them alone” with regards to foreign policy is a neo-con, so I don’t expect that to change anytime soon, lol.

Anyways, I don’t even live in Connecticut so my support is irrelevant, I just think he’d be a great senator and I hope he wins.

[bloomj31]

@wilderness

that’s no excuse for you to initiate coercion against me. you’re not special

No one’s talking about attacking you, Wilderness. Simmer down now.

[Caley_McKibbin]

@liberty student

@Caley McKibbin

Are you accusing me of something? I hope not.

I didn’t accuse you of anything. You announced you once tried to be a tax eater. I am happy you did not succeed, just as I will be happy if Peter Schiff goes back to his private practice.

I don’t recall announcing that. That is an accusation by you. If you think of it as trying to be a tax eater, you are sorely lacking in understanding.

[wilderness]

@bloomj31

@wilderness

that’s no excuse for you to initiate coercion against me. you’re not special

No one’s talking about attacking you, Wilderness. Simmer down now.

you advocate a government. you say you are a neo-con. yes you advocate initiated coercion. you are on a lesser intellectual footing due to this and have no room to talk.

[bloomj31]

@wilderness

you advocate a government. you say you are a neo-con. yes you advocate initiated coercion. you are on a lesser intellectual footing due to this and have no room to talk.

Yes I do advocate a government. Which you’ve equivocated with me wanting to attack you. Not my fault.

Also, I don’t remember saying I was a neo-con, I just agree with some of the things they said. I thought I was already on a lesser intellectual footing because I’m not an anarchist? Have I been demoted again?

[liberty_student]

@Caley McKibbin

I don’t recall announcing that.

You wrote,

@Caley McKibbin

1. Canada doesn’t have a President. I already have run for MP.

Seems like you announced it.

@Caley McKibbin

That is an accusation by you.

I did not accuse you of anything you did not announce yourself. If you feel otherwise, source my statement.

@Caley McKibbin

If you think of it as trying to be a tax eater, you are sorely lacking in understanding.

Politicians are criminals and tax eaters. That’s a fairly uncontroversial Rothbardian-Rockwellian analysis. There is no such thing as the noble thief and regulator.

[wilderness]

@bloomj31

Yes I do advocate a government. Which you’ve equivocated with me wanting to attack you. Not my fault.

Not your fault for advocating a government, ie. having somebody arbritrary point a gun at me. that’s why whatever you say will be a contradiction. so it’s not a simple matter of mistrust, ie. dishonesty, but thereby confusion you spread.

[Subdivisions]

I think we all need to sit down and have a nice listen to Pink Floyd’s “Us and Them” before continuing discussion. I see a lot of methodological errors here in the way people are approaching the subject. There is no simple “we” and “them”. There are behaviors which are similar and so warrant classification; to that extent and ONLY to that extent are group entities “real”. But when someone talks about Iranians, Pakistanis, Americans, etc. they need to keep in mind the very real danger of generalization and the kind of foolishness that results from it. 100,000 civilians don’t deserve death merely for being in a belligerent government’s territorial outline. Goodness gracious!

[bloomj31]

@wilderness

Not your fault for advocating a government, ie. having somebody arbritrary point a gun at me. that’s why whatever you say will be a contradiction. so it’s not a simple matter of mistrust, ie. dishonesty, but thereby confusion you spread.

Well…that was prosaic. Well done.

[Subdivisions]

That being said, neocons are almost always not only pro-war, but pro-welfarism also. Peter Schiff def. has more sense than to be totally statist and interventionist. I wish him well. But I wish the government he may soon be a part of nothing less than absolute nonviolent dissolution of activities due to bankruptcy, both economic and moral.

[wilderness]

@bloomj31

@wilderness

Not your fault for advocating a government, ie. having somebody arbritrary point a gun at me. that’s why whatever you say will be a contradiction. so it’s not a simple matter of mistrust, ie. dishonesty, but thereby confusion you spread.

Well…that was prosaic. Well done.

When you say it’s not your fault for advocating government that is confusing. those of contradiction usually don’t get it and revert to animalistic comments. speak with intellect.

[bloomj31]

@wilderness

When you say it’s not your fault for advocating government that is confusing. those of contradiction usually don’t get it and revert to animalistic comments. speak with intellect.

I’m gonna go revert to animalism and work out and then get something to eat. I’ll talk to you guys later.

[wilderness]

@bloomj31

Also, I don’t remember saying I was a neo-con…

@bloomj31

Is Levin a neo-con? Yes. I think he is. But so am I to some degree.

[onebornfreedotblogsp]

@krazy kaju

Since the terrorists who attacked the United States resided inside Afghanistan, there was nothing wrong with going after them and seeking justice.

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