Is there any rigorous proof or computer simulation/emulation on market anarchy that it would work to prevent physical force the same as or better than a minarchist government? I am not going to accept market anarchism if there is no such proof. I have read papers on how anarchism would work, but none of them give a synthetic or holistic proof. I am not convinced of these papers that give a few points like “insurance companies” with “private defence agencies”, etc. I want a rigorous proof or computer simulation/emulation when humans, bad humans, insurance companies, private defence agencies, protecting foreign invasion working together in anarchism. Many people here accept market anarchism as an axiom. I am not one of them. I want a rigorous proof or an example computer simulation/emulation, incorporating physical force, contractual violations, geography, the selfishness and irrationality of humans, the money-loving insurance companies that might become abusive, foreign invasion, etc… that are working together under anarchy. Thank you very much.
And I want such a proof of minarchism.
That means you don’t have a proof.
No, it means exactly what I said - if you’re going to demand such proofs of market anarchism, I will in turn demand such a proof of minarchism. It’s not a difficult concept to understand.
Well, you have to first proof minarchism and anarchism so you can compare minarchism with anarchism. Minarchism is proven by Hong Kong, etc. Now it is the time to prove anarchism. Your argument does not work in turing minarchists to anarchists. If there are no such argument, they you guys here have blind faith (i.e. prejudice) that anarchism is better at handling violence than minarchism.
As Inquistor pointed previously this assumes you your self have rigorous proof in regards minarchism or you have someway of quantifying the risk of physical force. Only if we have a benchmark from which to work from such an exercise will be superflous. And you implicitly assume minarchism (what that actually means I don’t know) is the benchmark yet fail to give us something to work from to show anarchism being better at preventing physical force.
Why does Hong Kong constitute minarchy? And again how would you suggest we compare Hong Kong with a hypothetical anarchist society as to which deals with physical aggression?
I am not quantifying. I hate quantification, since you know its utilitarian to quantify.
But I want a proof that anarchism would not collapse from physical force. Somalia is unstable and poor, probably due to anarchy. Your guys are accepting anarchism as an axiom.
Please then tell me how we are to compare them. If you don’t tell us we can’t answer your question to your satisfaction? Further “minarchist” societies rarely exist since state power in them just grows and grows and thus collapse because of physical force. Also does Hong Kong constitute a minarchist state?
Ever been on the internet? Did anyone beat you up?
Hmm, I remember Rothbard referred to the Celtic Ireland. I was wondering whether anyone has some links where one could learn more about their society?
Here’s Peden’s Article on Ancient Ireland:
A little bit from a blog about Smith Island…
I bring it up here because, in over 300 years of continuous settlement, the island’s residents have never seen fit to set up a government. There are no cops, no jails, and no compulsory city taxes; public goods are provided informally or through the local Methodist Church, which is the closest the island has to a governing body. (I suppose this makes it paleolibertarian.) The only exception I know of is a small school operated by the county. There used to be a second school, but a few years ago they shut it down.
Not that the state has no presence. The local crabbers and oystermen and terrapin-hunters – virtually all self-employed – are full of disdain for outside regulators, whose efforts to preserve Chesapeake species and otherwise exert their authority have fallen far more heavily on the independent watermen than on recreational crabbers or on the larger corporate fishing/crabbing/etc. operations elsewhere in the Bay. There’s a lot of disdain for environmentalists, too, despite the locals’ considerable appreciation for their environment: Thanks to the aforementioned regulatory battles, enviros tend to be regarded as well-salaried yuppies with no appreciation for the ways their rules affect the watermen.
Most of Smith Island consists of marshes, and is thus uninhabitable. Rona and I spent two nights in Tylerton, population circa 70, which can only be accessed from the other villages via the water. The other two towns are Ewell (the largest of the three, with a couple hundred residents and a small tourist trade) and Rhodes Point (which is run-down and arguably dying); to get to them from Tylerton, we had to paddle over on a canoe. There are no cars in Tylerton, though many of the locals drive golf carts. There are a few cars in the other two villages, which are connected by a one-mile road. They tend to be old junkers and are outnumbered by the aforementioned golf carts.
I don’t mean to make the place sound like it’s cut off from modern consumerist ways. Satellite dishes are plentiful, and I’m told that packaged food is popular, too, perhaps because even the tastiest local seafood (and it’s quite tasty indeed) gets tiresome if you’ve been working with it all day. The work is tough, and if it’s not as backbreaking as it used to be, there is now the added pain of watching the island’s way of life slowly die.
It’s hard to get to Smith Island – it’s a 45-minute ferry ride from the mainland, and not the most easily accessible part of the mainland at that. But if you can’t visit, you can still read Horton’s book, which I recommend highly. Radio populists will especially enjoy the chapter called “VHF,” on the strange and lovely world of marine radio. “Think of it, compared to normal communication, as a military bugle is to popular music. But in the crab boats, kitchens, and shanties of islanders, the VHF is a non-stop jam session, a giant party line, open to anyone with a radio, which out here is absolutely everyone. Across the ether of mid-Chesapeake flows a quixotic, rambunctious stream of consciousness, blends of earthy humor, religion, everybody’s and nobody’s business, to a background of sea gulls mewing and diesel engines rumbling.”
Reason Magazine’s article Desert Autonomous Zone talking about the movie Off The Grid: Life on the Mesa. Having talked to people that live out there, they claim that the film makers found the most fucked up people in the bunch and made a movie about them. The guy I have talked to seemed sane and normal enough and even has a web-site about the place.
I think an interesting place to follow is Somalia.
Those aren’t proofs. They are case studies, evidence.
The only proof possible for minarchy or anarchy is based on logic, and logically anarchy is more efficient than minarchy as it does not involve a monopoly over protection.
Computer games = Proof.
Final Fantasy is really how the future is going to look like.
Please infomr me, when has there not been a government (transitional, temporary, or established by external governments) in the Somalia of the 20th-21st centuries.
You might want to check out my podcast and blog - particularly the first few podcasts, where I go into a fairly rigorous analysis of how a stateless society can actually work.
www.freedomainradio.com/podcasts.
Best wishes!
Stefan Molyneux, MA
Host, Freedomain Radio