The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

On the existence of information:

Every existent in the universe is a limited, finite resource. You only have so and so much iron, water or energy etc. But according to the libertarian anti-IP argument information is a non-finite resource. It is not used up. Well, clearly then it does not exist in the universe, because the universe only consists of finite resources. To be is to be something. Everything has an identity, a nature, which means to be a finite thing. Information doesn’t fit the bill.

THEREFORE anti-IP libertarians conclude that there should be no intellectual property rights. It ain’t a finite resource, ergo it can’t be owned.

Are you with me so far? Well, the major problem with this line of reasoning is that information has no existence except as a state of mind. Information only exists in the mind. Information is a mind object. Now, while information in itself is not limited resource, minds most certainly are. Intellectual property rights are rightly so named because they do not really pertain to information but to the intellect. Since you only have a certain limited amount of hours in your life to think and produce with that mind, it is the product of your mind that should be protected through intellectual property rights.

Now, the very moment you understand that information is a mind object then you also understand why there must exist information rights (of which intellectual property is one). We humans are mind beings more than anything. The thing that distinguishes us from other beings is precisely our great minds, and our ability to abstract. What is this thing that we abstract? Information! That is why animals cannot enter into a contract. Contracts only exist in the abstract, as objects to a conceptual consciousness. Information rights is about protecting a HUMAN existence, an existence as an abstract, conceptual consciousness. There are things that are very important to such a consciousness: truth and falsehood, agreement, the secrecy of personal information (privacy) and ownership of mental products. The common denominator is that they all pertain to the human mind.

Now, marxists are full-blown materialists so they deny the mind altogether, and hence they deny ALL forms of private property, including material property because the basis of all property is the CHOICE to mix one’s labor with nature, and this requires free will, which any materialist denies. Libertarians are not as good at philosophy as marxists so they fail to understand the philosophical position they are taking and they end up with a half-baked, inconsistent materialist position on IP.

But to fully grasp the nature of IP and of information rights in general one must start with the human mind and recognize that the human condition revolves around the mind. All information rights flow from the same source: the mind.

On property:

What is property? Property is that which you legally have soverign control over, and by “legal” I mean that which you can use physical force to protect. So if you have full legal control over another person’s body and life you OWN that person. He is your property. This is known as slavery. The classical liberal position is based on PEACEFUL property rights. That is, property which does not involve violating the lives of other peaceful people. So using your own gun to rob a bank is not a peaceful exercise of property, and hence banned from laissez-faire. The same goes with piracy. If you buy a book you are free to do whatever you want with that book, except to pirate and distribute the mind stuff of that book. Then you are violating the work of another peaceful person.

You have no right to future exchanges nor particular future prices except as explicitly contracted with another actor.

Anyone can use force. The use of force doesn’t make something legal. You’ll need to rework this.

Also, control is not equal to ownership. A thief can steal to get control, and then use force to maintain control. Surely you do not believe that theft is equal to property?

I’m not sure what you mean by peaceful property rights, is there such a thing as violent (?) property rights? Anarcho-capitalists believe that aggression is immoral and only voluntary relations are acceptable in a free society and that free markets are only possible when trade is voluntary.

Maybe this is a language thing, but its not banned from laissez-faire, it is contradictory to laissez-faire, and so is not a part of laissez-faire.

Some of us would say that using force to acquire property is immoral.

What is “the mind stuff”?

Also, if I share the information in that book, I have not pirated anything. The information is still in the book, and it is still in the author’s head. I have simply made a copy of some or all of the information.

If I am contractually obligated at the time of sale, to handle the book and its contents a certain way, that is fine. But if you mean that if someone relays information to me from a book that I have received stolen property, then that is completely ridiculous.

There is a wealth of information on this site deconstructing the conventional notion of intellectual property and explaining how it is anathema to laissez-faire and individual liberty. If you would like resources, I would be happy to find some for you.

Onar, you bring up some fresh angles. IP has been debated in many (long) threads here before, easily accessible via the search function. Particularly, you may find my case for Information as Property interesting.

Z.

“do you have ownership rights in peoples opinion of your book ? if not why not?”

No. Why would I?

"And when someone else copies this information, how are they depriving the author of the right to that content? He still has that right.

The value of the book is not in its material, the value is in the information. The author therefore has the right to decide how his work should be made accessible to others as well as the right to decide whether others may use that work. The author didn’t write his book so that he could print a bunch of letters on his own personal and physical paper.

well they wouldn’t have opinions about your book if not for your having authored the book…

why are people not allowed to make doubles of your book, but they are allowed to think about it? You make an argument for ownership of the intangible so your theory should cover both. Your theory argues for too much.

Onar, how do we know that everything in the universe is limited? What if the universe is infinite?

Anyone can use force. The use of force doesn’t make something legal. You’ll need to rework this.

I think it’s quite obvious that what he means is legitimate force.

Also, control is not equal to ownership. A thief can steal to get control, and then use force to maintain control. Surely you do not believe that theft is equal to property?

Also here, it’s obvious that he means legitimate control. Libertarians believe that legitimate control over intellectual work does not exist. They only recognize physical work. That makes them physical capitalists but intellectual communists.

Brilliant essay that makes my points against intellectual communism mostly obsolete. The author makes all defenders of intellectual communism appear unread and juvenile, which they are.

why are people not allowed to make doubles of your book, but they are allowed to think about it? You make an argument for ownership of the intangible so your theory should cover both. Your theory argues for too much.

Because the author allows one but not the other in order to maximize the value of his product.

The arguments in that article are weak, but I still don’t agree with the anti-IP stance from what I’ve read, although I have not read “too much” on the subject. I’m not convinced when it comes to fictional works like books and screenplays that people should be able to make adaptations or sell the books/screenplays without my permission if I’m the author.

Evidently, you are not required to impose a lien on any of your books and screenplay. You can define yourself what the terms of use of your property are. This is why contracts like Creative Commons exist.

What’s immoral is denying others the right to restrict the use of their property because you personally don’t want to restrict yours. That is just monopolism.

Kwalla, have you ever observed anything in the universe that is infinite? If not, then there is no rational basis for believing in it.

Your points were obselete because they were based on logical fallacies to begin with.

well, everything is limited is like saying, everything has a beginning (when creationists try to prove their god)… begs the question at least :slight_smile:

It could be ok to say, that material things are scarce. But information is not.

First of all, there’s no question begging going on.

Second, I can’t think of one defender of any cosmological argument that actually claims that ‘everything has a beginning.’

Not Plato, not Aristotle, not al-Ghazali, not Maimonides, not Thomas Aquinas, not John Duns Scotus, not G.W. Leibniz, not Samuel Clarke, not Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, not Mortimer Adler, not William Lane Craig, and not Richard Swinburne.

That’s about the biggest strawman I’ve ever seen. HE’S HUGE, MAN.

Anarcho-capitalists believe that aggression is immoral

But it’s not. Aggression is moral in self defense. Not only to protect your own physical body and belongings, but also to protect information.

The non-aggression principle is the source of anarcho-capitalist morality, but morality has its true source in biology, not in a principle.

The information is still in the book, and it is still in the author’s head.

Authors don’t write books to keep the information in their head.

why are people not allowed to make doubles of your book, but they are allowed to think about it?

If they weren’t allowed to think about it, they wouldn’t buy it.

There are no words.

You are right, I a little bit strawman’ed it. It goes like this: Whatever begins to exist has a cause. And yep, it begs the quesion. The Universe began to exist. It begs the question. It could be eternal (and I believe, just believe, it IS eternal in some sense). Therefore, the Universe had a cause. It could have a cause, but that doesn’t mean that this “cause” didn’t have some other cause… Even if it didn’t, it doesn’t mean, that this cause is “god”.

Sorry for offtopic. Mea culpa.

As for physical objects, you’re right. But is everything in the universe finite, including time and space? I find it hard to believe that time has a start or an end.

As for physical objects, you’re right. But is everything in the universe finite, including time and space? I find it hard to believe that time has a start or an end.

Objects can be finite without having a start or an end - they are called indefinite. The Earth, for example, is a sphere with upon which surface you can walk indefinitely. However, it is still a finite object.

If your statement were in any way true then we would not purchase books from bookstores, but rent instead. It amazes me that you don’t follow your comments to their ends.

Last I visited a book store it was not required of me to sign any type of rent agreement, instead it was sold to me as a purchase of a physical,tangible good. The same as purchasing a banana or apple. I’ve made no such agreements on what I plan on doing with that book. If what you say is true, then I should instead be signing a lease agreement regarding the use of the book.

Even when renting however it’s not clear that anything has been violated in copying. But thats besides the point I am making. I purchase books, I don’t rent them. If this is not the case then I’ve simply been lied to, and thats just basic fraud. I suppose in some twisted manner your going to justify the fraud now?