From this point forward, if Bloom appears in a thread I am reading, I will go to another thread. The man is disgusting. Sorry, Bloom, if you think I’m moralizing, because I am. You are over the top.
You’re a very emotional person, it seems you didn’t even read what I wrote. But that’s fine, do as you please.
I lol’d. I don’t believe it, but if anyone would be a NAP compliant gamer, it is probably you. [:D]
Neither of those is simulating something that would conflict with non-aggression. My point is, if you will simulate killing, what is the difference when it is simulating kiddie porn? On principle, nothing. On aesthetics, maybe a lot. But again, if it is libertarian to simulate killing, then it’s probably libertarian to simulate kiddie porn.
I would rather not simulate something I consider immoral but that’s my personal choice.
So if there was a game for how many people you could rape or something, you’re saying it’s just entertainment for a score. I’ll buy that. But will you accept people who play very extreme games under that premise?
Absolutely, I always try to solve discourse through non-violent discussion. However, when someone shoots a round at you in anger..well you just gotta defend yourself. Seriously though when playing Bioshock I wondered about the ethics of the main character. I mean here the main character is, running through the city, probably invading the property of others or perhaps homesteading property that is no longer owned and yet killing others who may actually be defending their property. Its just a big mess. [:P]
You suspect? I am sorry, this is not enough. Either clear proof, or no such empty speculation.
It’s one thing to say that violent videogames are immoral. It’s another to go on and speculate that government is funding the videogame industry to tow the line. Unless you are absolutely certain, I think you do a disservice to your own arguments. Speculation and guesses are not enough.
Seeing that they already made America’s Army, there doesn’t seem to be much incentive for them to go one step further and get private companies to make games for them as propoganda. Is there any proof of Infinity Ward and the United States government working together? Any proof of monetary transactions between them?
I find these talks to be as credible as claims that government controls the news media. Government may be reaching its hands into a lot of areas, but despite all this conspiracy talk that Fox and CNN are crypto-government propoganda, nobody, and I mean nobody, has sat down to show clear proof of how US government controls or runs media. Other than speculation that they are Illuminati, and that Illuminati controls government and Illuminati controls media.[;)] Or Jews. Or maybe Jews and Illuminati are the same thing. I am not up to date on the latest conspiracy talk.
I think you can take a look at hentai games, and how popular they are in Japan. There’s a lot of extreme content that comes underneath them, but I have no problems accepting the bizzare and offbeat tastes of Japanese people. My sense of morality revolves around seeing people as people, and not judging, dividing, or sorting them based on a certain set of categorical imperatives. All people are potential agents of promoting good and prosperity for other people, and thus they deserve to be treated with the respect that can be accorded to a creature capable of such a thing. To attach some quantified moral points to see how moral and immoral a person is, and treating them accordingly is only a tool of creating divisions and hostilities between people. Accept people for what they are and take the good with the bad.
haha this is me to a T. In fact so much I am generally embarrassed by it when discussing it with other gamers. I am never the evil guy, never. I find that there is a certain level of zeal behind my characters in the games I play. I always fabricate up some silly story of my own which justifies whatever I’m doing. [:p]
Yup thats pretty much all there is for me. The only console I have conciderd is the Wii, the other two consoles cannot match the utility value or performance of my PC’s. Then there is an issue of time. I don’t have much time to play so I am extremely strict on the stuff I give myself time to. I havn’t seen any titels lately on the console which has peaked my interest. My time is worth more to me then my money at this point. I’ll spend $50 bucks on a game and if it doesn’t justify itself in the first hour or so I’ll never play it again without feeling a hint guilt. My books, my studies, and my work are just far too more important. Plus my Mises forum time has to fit in somewhere!
At any rate I did try to play dragon age, I got bored like 1/3 to halfway in. I was playing on normal difficulty and the damn game was next to impossible to get through in some scenarios. I suppose I should give it a second shot and change the difficulty to easy.
It is speculation but it’s not necessarily bad speculation. Such a reality would not surprise me in the least bit. I don’t think it’s an incredible claim at all. And the mainstream media, well thats another issue. This is all back doors, special interest, money moving stuff that voters don’t hear about. Special interest is what drives washington, and it’s the stuff that gets funded to be placed on TV. So it’s not the media thats on a propaganda campaign per se, it’s various special interests behind it.
In the apparatus of conspiracy theory’s I think those two would be ones far more likely as being a reality.
In response to the hand-wringing at the beginning of the thread about violent video games, please note that pornography acts as an economic substitute for rape and, likewise, violent video games (and movies) act as an economic substitute for violent crimes. I prefer that people with a tendency to rape watch a porno instead. I prefer that people with violent tendencies play a video game instead of killing someone. In fact, I think that the military will find that recruitment, on net, is much harder by virtue of the existence of military and other point-and-shoot video games, than the other way around. While the games will heighten the excitement to join of a few people who already want to join the military, far more fence-sitters will get their adrenaline fix and decide that the risk of doing the real thing is not worth the marginal increase in adrenaline rush intensity.
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I can’t wait to bust this one out on my friends.
well you did buy the game and put yourself in harm’s way. so if there’s a war going on and I travel to it. Then somebody shoots at me, does that mean I can call back home, let others that stand by me know that there are people shooting at me and they are the aggressors, so thereby, the U.S. can send a massive army into Somalia now because as a CIA agent I was only walking around minding my own business.
He didn’t just say “any”, his point was clearly designed to be speaking about the mainstream market (e.g. Halo, Gears of War, CoD, ect.). America’s Army does nothing to weaken it.
Where is Bloom stating that
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If you are accusing me of a strawman, you have made an even graver one yourself.
Those targeting systems were copied from video games, the games were developed first.
Blowing up real people is like playing a video game, except you get wade through all the gore, and clean it up, and smell it, and watch 11 year old boys vow to kill you before they die, and take a daughters torso to the burn pile, and a wife’s head to her shackled husband, then there are the burn victims…
Yes, these games condition one to murder. It is called indoctrination. If you are use to death already, it is much easier to instill the kill or be killed mentality. They can be turned to positive uses, but that is up to the individual.
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I play the total war games the same way, someone always attacks me first, I go for trade agreements.
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You’ll get plenty of equivocation. Note, no one here as picked up the challenge either. And to be honest, I can’t blame them. Video games can be fun. The problem is, we’re in a video game market that almost exclusively simulated violence. There isn’t a lot in the way of alternatives.
Is it any worse than a violent movie or violent book? I have my tolerance levels as well. Things of excess gore I find in distaste, same in games
Well that presumes that my natural rights are subject to the environment I am in. If I am in a bad neighborhood then I am somehow asking to be victimized. I don’t believe that to be true. Plus the main character was brainwashed into killing the pilot after which I was trying to establish crusoe economics.