What (Worse) Additive Will Processed Food Manufacters Add When FDA Forces Them To Cut Salt?

lets predict the future here…

msg perhaps?

It is enough to merely ask the question, to understand the nature of what will happen. Somebody posted on lewrockwell.com that the FDA shall have to regulate how much salt we buy once they realize that people are just going to add more salt at home when they cook the food.

This will also distort the market away from restaurants, where it is harder to add the salt, and towards eating at home and therefore supermarkets.

Plus, no more sea salt or iodine -a necessary ingredient for man (lack of pure salt leads to something called “cretinism”).

“It is enough to merely ask the question, to understand the nature of what will happen. Somebody posted on lewrockwell.com that the FDA shall have to regulate how much salt we buy once they realize that people are just going to add more salt at home when they cook the food.”

that was a good point made on lewrockwell.com

it’ll be like the movie Judge Dread…

Sylvester Stallone: “salt is illegal ?”

Sandra Bullock: “anything that is bad for you is illegal…therefore salt is illegal.”

i think that was Demolition Man.

how the fuck do you use those shells :stuck_out_tongue:

I could be wrong about this, but heresay has indicated that nothing is actually wrong with MSG. I think that they will replace salt with a cocktail of aspartame DDT and rotten mayonaise. Just my theory of course :slight_smile:

Hey, didn’t some guy named… what was it?.. oh yah, Gandhi march to the sea to boil it down to make salt?

Well, according to Neurosurgeon, Russel Blaylock MD, he says msg is a nerotoxin and very bad for you.

hehe

Diets high in sugar and fats, combined with salt, and hardly any exercise is a cause of obesity

Why do you think bartenders only put out salty snacks on the counters at bars?

A lot of salt makes you desire to drink. It enhances flavor and stimulates appetite. Think of the number of people who sit in front of the television with a lap full of salty treats. What number kids take chips and other salt snacks to school with them for lunch? What do they drink afterwards? Water? Earl grey Tea? What do they eat afterwards?

I know, any adult ought to make their own choices regarding what they consume. However, I’m more concerned about the coming generations, and I know what school kids eat and I know the percentage of overwieght kids at school keeps on increasing.

A few years ago my dad was called on to provide hot lunches for a nearby school. The first delivery was of homemade turkey vegetable soup and homemade Italian bread. Many of the teachers were commending him. One fifth grade teacher asked her kids to name the vegetables and most of them had never seen scallops or turnips prior to that. Then he got nothing but verbal abuse from the kids’ parents:
“You’re charging $2.25 for SOUP?”
"Give them something they want, like pizza.
“But need something healthy too, so can you get those apple slices with the caramel?”

A lot of the parents were decently wealth, many were housewives, a good number with college degrees. Look at these choices the average parent is making for a child.

Do most people even know that most of poultry and pork in the grocery store is infused with a salt and soya fluid? Hamburger patties? Simple peanut butter?

Sure it’s buyer beware. People ought to educate themselves and take care of themselves.

Ought.

A lot like the financial sector should be self regulated, like the energy and oil sectore should be self regulated, like the auto manufactures should be self regulated. Or wait, do you think they’d just produce cars with seatbelts, that run on unleaded gas?

The salt issue is a public health issue. The decisions people are making right now reflect on the increasing number of overweight adults and children.

You mean the seatbelts and airbags that kill babies? Regulatory mandates are necessarily always crude hacks; A one-size solution that ends up fitting nobody. People, very often, make the wrong decisions. I don’t think anyone here would deny that. But the state, as a consequence of its decision making process, always does. Honestly I’d rather take a 1% chance over 0.

I can tell immediantly when food contains MSG because my whole mouth goes numb and sometimes develops blood blisters. Within 1-2 hours after ingestion I begin having severe migrines and feelings of deep depression. The negative effects tend to last 2-5 days depending on the amount of MSG I consume.

Can you blame the parents? If government stopped subsidizing the corn industry and making high fructose corn syrup cheaper, thus, making junk food cheaper parents would purchase other, healthier alternatives.

I don’t know this for a fact but I think more people are allergic to peanuts than MSG. Should we ban salted peanuts, an inexpensive source of protein because a few people can’t tolerate it. Labels and warnings are the correct approach. It’s up to you to know what you can or cannot eat.

“Diets high in sugar and fats, combined with salt, and hardly any exercise is a cause of obesity”

Getting sugar from fruits and honey are very healthy. Government subsidized gmo corn syrup is very bad.

Real fats from animals and plants are very healthy. Chemical manufactured fats from hydrogenated oils and other manufactured oils such as soybean, canola, any hydrogenated oil are very unhealthy.

Real salt is very healthy and contains many minerals. Fake salt such as sodium chloride which has been stripped of all minerals and bleached is very unhealthy.

Educate yourself on real food and fake food.

Diets high in sugar and fats, combined with salt, and hardly any exercise is a cause of obesity

(So is eating without restriction. And that’s a lot more reasons that salt. Let’s say we take care of the fat, sugar and salt problem with regulation. What do you propose we do about people who don’t exercise?)

Why do you think bartenders only put out salty snacks on the counters at bars?

(People like them. People also buy drinks when they get thirsty. This is baby-logic. I know I’m going to get thirsty if I eat pretzels at a bar, and I’m likely to buy a drink. I’m a grown man. I don’t see where I need someone to shield me.)

A lot of salt makes you desire to drink. It enhances flavor and stimulates appetite.

(Yeah. God forbid my food tastes good.)

Think of the number of people who sit in front of the television with a lap full of salty treats.

(Good point. We should outlaw television, too. I hope to god you weren’t eating Doritos while typing this, because that makes you a hypocrite.)

What number kids take chips and other salt snacks to school with them for lunch?

(My parents packed my lunch for me when I was six. Don’t you pay attention to your children’s eating habits? And what does this even mean? Have you seen the quality of public school lunches? It’s grease country.)

What do they drink afterwards? Water? Earl grey Tea? What do they eat afterwards?

(As I was never a soda person, I had water. And Earl Grey always ranked about number four on my list of favorite teas, even as a kid. After lunch I’m usually done eating, by definition. Is it possible that you believe children eat the same things as each other child? By the way, chocolate chip cookies are awesome.)

I know, any adult ought to make their own choices regarding what they consume.

(Don’t they? Apart from things that laws have made it harder to get, don’t they? Who makes your choices? Lose the bib, I’d say.)

However, I’m more concerned about the coming generations,

(“Because they won’t be as good at making decisions as I am.”)

and I know what school kids eat

(What, all of them? What manner of overlord are you, exactly?)

and I know the percentage of overwieght kids at school keeps on increasing.

(Through no fault of mine, I assure you. Somewhere in all this is a parent that can’t say “NO!” to a kid that wants McDonald’s.)

A few years ago my dad was called on to provide hot lunches for a nearby school.

The first delivery was of homemade turkey vegetable soup and homemade Italian bread.

(Well, he’s out of a job. You make your soup without salt? Those kids must have been pissed. By the way, bread is really, really fattening.)

Many of the teachers were commending him.

(What would there have been to brow-beat him for?)

One fifth grade teacher asked her kids to name the vegetables and most of them had never seen scallops or turnips prior to that.

(I like carrots and peppers. I couldn’t tell you what a scallop is, because I never eat them. I’ve had and seen a turnip once in my life. They are terrible. I’m sure there’s foods you couldn’t name in this world.)

Then he got nothing but verbal abuse from the kids’ parents:

(What were those parents doing there while he was serving lunch? I won’t say you’re lying, but the scenario seems a little strange. Presumably children went to school with lunch money and got their lunch, and their parents didn’t stand in line with them.)

“You’re charging $2.25 for SOUP?”

(That soup better have been pretty good.)

"Give them something they want, like pizza.

(I know, right? We can’t have parents deciding what their children can eat. Your dad should have explained to them that he knew better.)

“But need something healthy too, so can you get those apple slices with the caramel?”

(I doubt anyone said that.)

A lot of the parents were decently wealth, many were housewives, a good number with college degrees. Look at these choices the average parent is making for a child.

(1. Idiots have made money before. Housewives aren’t necessarily nutrition experts. I don’t remember learning anything about healthy eating in college, especially given the campus canteen. But a lot of them probably aren’t metallurgists, either, and I bet we can trust them with a butter knife. It is terrible that parents are making choices for their children when we’re paying the government so much money, isn’t it? I see what you mean there. Parents shouldn’t be making choices for their children. No, no, I know you’re thinking that’s not where you were going with that, but hear me out. People who have time to get irate about things and talk about them on the internet might not be rational decision-makers either, given their deep personal frustrations. Are these really the kind of people that should be allowed to make decisions for their children?)

Do most people even know that most of poultry and pork in the grocery store is infused with a salt and soya fluid?

(Do you know how to preserve food?)

Hamburger patties? Simple peanut butter?

(I really don’t think they care. They have a right not to care. To wit, most people who are concerned about their health look into these things. Therefore, anyone that this matters to has already solved their problem. Or do you just find this information for fun, but still run around eating McDonald’s for lunch all the time?)

Sure it’s buyer beware. People ought to educate themselves and take care of themselves.

(Forced education. You’re ADORABLE.)

Ought.

(Ouch. I can feel your disgust with humanity, and I’m a pretty disgusted person myself.)

A lot like the financial sector should be self regulated, like the energy and oil sectore should be self regulated,

(Cue non-sequitur.)

like the auto manufactures should be self regulated. Or wait, do you think they’d just produce cars with seatbelts, that run on unleaded gas?

(If there was a demand for it. Personally, I live for the day when I don’t have to wear my seatbelt. It chafes.)

The salt issue is a public health issue.

(Yes. I totally agree. I am now going to enumerate the ways in which other people eating salt is hurting me:

Damn.)

The decisions people are making right now reflect on the increasing number of overweight adults and children.

(Yes. They’re eating unhealthy food. What are you saying, that in the future we’ll lose the capacity to make that decision? The next generation will be totally incapable of saying, “What if I have a carrot with my lunch today?”)

I think more people are allergic to MSG then is realized. I’ve suffered from health problems for the last 6 years of my life, and have only recently attributed them to MSG. Currently labels are very little help in telling whether or not an item contains MSG ( it goes by 60+ different names ) that companies use to hide it’s presents in their products. I no longer support any company that goes out of their way to hide the fact that MSG is present in their food. This has lead to me avoiding 95% of resturants and preparing all my meals from whole foods.

BTW, do not think MSG should be ban. I’m just letting you know why I know longer consume products that contain it.

At least the Soviet Union rationed food of all sorts because of the distortions in their agricultural sector…

Most of you are far too young to remember (and in the US I don’t think it has ever been a problem) but people in the Alpine valleys have long suffered from goitre and other iodine deficency related illnesses. Even in my youth people with large goitres were very common. The reason was very simple: the main (and often only) salt available was rocksalt which is extremely poor in iodine. High quality marine salt was rare and very expensive: it was said to be “the Pope’s salt”, meaning only very wealthy people could afford it. Once marine salt became very cheap and widely available, iodine deficency became a thing of the past in a single generation.

I am sure FDA legislators are well aware of the risks associated with low iodine intake, especially during growth, and they will push for supplements to be added to foods or to be prescribed to children and youths. Did I hear “Big Pharma”?

I think salt is near the bottom of the top 100 GRAS food additives to ban. As far as I’m concerned this is a non sequitur.